Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-00.txt

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Thu, 16 August 2018 18:31 UTC

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> On 16 Aug 2018, at 20:10, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
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>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote:
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>> These are not NATs. They are specifically designed to be stateless
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> I think we also can agree that this, while intended, is the point of failure. 

Sure, pick your poison. If you think a CGN cluster is more end to end friendly. 

It’s fascinating to watch IPv4 evolve through its last phase. :-)

Cheers 
Ole