Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Thu, 06 March 2014 19:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04
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Brian, Although I don't disagree with the points below, it's useful to consider that INT is already working in this area, so I don't see either (a) or (c) as being relevant unless you expect to shift current INT docs to other WGs too. (b) just warrants an update. I disagree that privacy concerns will negate the benefits, though - a HOST ID might also be used to defeat or deny other claimed identifiers. Joe On 3/6/2014 10:03 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > a) Since this is fixing some of the damage done by NAT, it's > really unfinished business for BEHAVE, which if iirc was a > Transport Area WG. Just saying... > > b) The word "privacy" doesn't appear in the draft. Discussing > privacy aspects is clearly essential if there is any thought of > advancing this work. Actually I doubt if such a host ID is ever > going to be acceptable from a privacy point of view, unless the > end system is at liberty to change it at random (like RFC 4941). > > c) A hard-nosed argument is that since we want to sunset IPv4, > it's time to stop working on ways of making NAT solutions work > better. Is there anything in the use cases that can't be fixed by > native IPv6? > > (The use case in expired draft > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-fmc-prefix-sharing-usecase-01 > is not at all convincing to me, especially when adding the privacy > argument. It actually seems to describe a bug in 3GPP. But in any case, > the draft appears to suggest mitigations.) > > Regards > Brian > > On 07/03/2014 05:28, joel jaeggli wrote: >> Greetings int-area and hiaps-mailing-list folks, >> >> I realize that this is midweek at the IETF, however this question is not >> far from several discussions I've had this week. >> >> I have been asked to consider AD sponsoring >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04 >> >> In the process of considering doing so I'd like to get some input with >> respect to: >> >> A. The appetite for pursuing some or any of this work in existing >> working groups, and in particular within the INT area. >> >> B. A consensus basis for moving beyond RFC 6269 into active work in this >> area. >> >> C. How we address concerns raised by the IETF community expressed >> through draft-farrell-perpass-attack when evaluating scenarios and >> beginning to address requirements and solution-space. >> >> Obviously these are complex questions and I do not expect that we will >> arrive at answers easily nor does work on this or other drafts depend on >> answering them, however it's part of the dialog. >> >> Thanks >> joel >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Int-area mailing list >> Int-area@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area >
- [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring http://… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Brandon Williams
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Scott Brim
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Dan Wing
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Scott Brim
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Scott Brim
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Int-area] [hiaps] request to consider sponso… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Dan Wing
- Re: [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring htt… Dan Wing