Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
Erik Nordmark <nordmark@sonic.net> Thu, 23 March 2017 18:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
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On 03/23/2017 10:29 AM, Pat Thaler wrote: > Erik, > > The informative annexes explain how to use 802.1Q bridges to implement > Pfivate VLANs. The capabilities that allow that are covered in the > normative body of IEEE Std 802.1Q. > > The liaison includes suggested text for the ID describing details of > configuring 802.1Q bridges to accomplish that including references to > normative parts of 802.1Q. Pat, That's great. I initially missed those details in the liaison. Would it be OK to take that text from the liaison and add it as information to the draft? And if so, should I acknowledge anybody in particular or just the IEEE 802.1 committee? Thanks, Erik > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org > <mailto:nordmark@acm.org>> wrote: > > On 03/22/2017 02:30 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga wrote: > > Dear IntArea WG, > > > > Please note that we have received the attached liaison letter > from the > IEEE 802.1 WG with respect to “IP over intentionally partially > partitioned links” draft-nordmark-intarea-ippl-05. > > > I don't see the document listed on > http://www.ieee802.org/Communications.shtml#Comm_1703 > <http://www.ieee802.org/Communications.shtml#Comm_1703> > > Will it be added there so we can refer to it? > > > Some more detailed comments below: > > 1. The tone of the draft should be, "how a router can take > advantage of the > Asymmetric (Private) VLAN feature offered by 802.1Q bridges." > > > 2. Modifying the section in question to describe how it works, > without any > conformance language on bridge behavior but explaining 802.1Q > standard > bridge configuration instead. > > > 3. Make a normative reference to 802.1Q. > > > My bad; I thought I already had it as a reference. > However, I'm not sure it can be normative since both annex B and > annex F are marked as informational in 802.1Q-1998. It wasn't clear > to me that there is sufficient material in the normative parts of > 802.1Q-1998 to describe the required behaviors for promiscuous, > community, and isolated ports. > > If the 802.1 group is asserting that all of those behaviors are > (optional) parts of the 802.1Q-1998 standard it would be helpful to > know that. > > In addition, if possible, also to have more specific references to > normative sections in 802.1Q which describe this behavior. > > We'd still need some explanatory text in the draft to map between > the 802.1Q terminology and the "promiscuous, community, isolated" > terminology that is used in industry. Before seeing the test I can't > tell whether such text would need to have RFc2119 terms to describe > the mapping. However, I don't think that would be a constraints on > bridge implementations but instead statements of the form "for the > purposes if running IP over 802.1Q we assume that > promisc/community/isolated ports are configured as follows using the > 802.1Q asymetric VLAN standard... > > But that is predicated on the all the necessary "private VLAN" > behaviors being part of the IEEE 802.1Q-1998 standard. So I'd be > greatful for clarifications on that point before I start editing the > draft. > > > Thanks, > Erik > > > > If you have any comments, please send them to the list. > > > > We will also allocate some time for to discuss about this during our > meeting in Chicago. > > > > Best, > > > > Juan-Carlos & Wassim > > (IntArea WG co-chairs) > > > > > > *From:*Glenn Parsons [mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com > <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>] > *Sent:* March 22, 2017 4:26 AM > *To:* statements@ietf.org <mailto:statements@ietf.org>; Juan > Carlos Zuniga > <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com > <mailto:juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>>; Suresh Krishnan > <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com > <mailto:suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>>; Wassim Haddad > <wassim.haddad@ericsson.com <mailto:wassim.haddad@ericsson.com>> > *Cc:* Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net > <mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>> (paul.nikolich@att.net > <mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>) > <paul.nikolich@att.net <mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>>; John > Messenger <jmessenger@advaoptical.com > <mailto:jmessenger@advaoptical.com>>; > Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com > <mailto:Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>>; pat.thaler@broadcom.com > <mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com> > *Subject:* Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG > > > > Please find attached a liaison from the IEEE 802.1 WG. > > > > I will be available to present this during the IntArea WG meeting. > This is in regards to your agenda item #4. > > > > Cheers, > > Glenn. > > > > > > -- > > Glenn Parsons - Chair, IEEE 802.1 > > glenn.parsons@ericsson.com <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> > <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com > <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>> > > +1-613-963-8141 <tel:%2B1-613-963-8141> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org <mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area> > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org <mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area> > >
- [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from… Juan Carlos Zuniga
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Juan Carlos Zuniga
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Glenn Parsons
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Pat Thaler
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Pat Thaler