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Re: [Int-area] Fw: Continuing IPv10 I-D discussion.

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com> Fri, 31 March 2017 16:05 UTC

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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>
To: Lee Howard <lee@asgard.org>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Fw: Continuing IPv10 I-D discussion.
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> I don¹t see any evidence that you are gaining consensus. Jen¹s suggestion was very good: develop a stack and get some deployment experience to show it can work.

There are many people who likes IPv10 and support it, also I'm not a software developer who works for a company developing an OS, if you don't believe that this idea works, you have to try it by yourself and get back to me with the result and what was your problem, maybe you are not good in writing codes or whatever.


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From: Lee Howard [mailto:lee@asgard.org] 
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Fw: Continuing IPv10 I-D discussion.



On 3/31/17, 10:02 AM, "Int-area on behalf of Khaled Omar"
<int-area-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> So far many people mentioned to you that updating software on clients 
>>and on network devices is very expensive, complicated and slow process.
>
>SOFTWARE UPDATES are expensive, complicated and slow process !

Yes. Years, and hundreds or thousands of hours of expensive labor.
See where I explained it yesterday at
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/int-area/current/msg05589.html

And that¹s if we stipulate that this can be done in software, which I don¹t.

I don¹t see any evidence that you are gaining consensus. Jen¹s suggestion was very good: develop a stack and get some deployment experience to show it can work.

Lee

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