[Int-area] Please stay respectful .... Re: IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

"Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com> Thu, 17 September 2020 18:32 UTC

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Thread-Topic: Please stay respectful .... Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
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Subject: [Int-area] Please stay respectful .... Re: IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
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Sorry to be forced to patronize WG members, but, those two email messages are really close to be aggressive... I.e., they do not add any value to the discussion.

-éric

PS : Ted, we all know that you are both a coder and a RFC author 😊

From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
Date: Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 16:35
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: int-area <int-area@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

Ted,

Do you have that skillset?

Khaled Omar

From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:34 PM
To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com<mailto:eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>> wrote:
I’m not a code developer, really we are repeating same requirements, so what is the meaning of a work group?!!!!!

If you can’t write code, what business do you have proposing standards? Proposing standards is an additional skill on top of network programming, not a separate skillset.