Re: [Int-area] xping and IPv6 Node Information Queries

Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Tue, 28 March 2017 19:08 UTC

Return-Path: <dthaler@microsoft.com>
X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DF9129486 for <int-area@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.022
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AfRByk7adC8U for <int-area@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm3nam03on0096.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.41.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 955C612956C for <Int-area@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=KLrSiuOY3kb6BWYfLEsiD+7L5zP0Ixd9hvnHcSJz/ZI=; b=ayvFaae6KC4c9pG/8hedRzcaKXoa0gIr+LSHWUvrYXmxmepvzm0hP7wnDRiHsnk6N+32yfWK2IocVu2XudnKs7j0hWpRqCoScwb1pRW1S1Iku7lD+Qk6dn4NpxZy99Xopp69Bc2NTruqTHj0yLtgs5ZZAmozPG5luYSMp05wURY=
Received: from CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.166.207.17) by CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.166.207.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.991.14; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:08:41 +0000
Received: from CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.166.207.17]) by CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.166.207.17]) with mapi id 15.01.0991.021; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:08:41 +0000
From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>, Internet Area <Int-area@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Int-area] xping and IPv6 Node Information Queries
Thread-Index: AQHSp/K2KtG8babpE0+ujzq+LPub0qGqnVMw
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:08:40 +0000
Message-ID: <CY1PR03MB226580EEE893949CF9F8C406A3320@CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAJE_bqf2=qxLVx-YKwbjA98A0FSmuZSDdx4fAn=s1rMhsgOKsw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJE_bqf2=qxLVx-YKwbjA98A0FSmuZSDdx4fAn=s1rMhsgOKsw@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: wide.ad.jp; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;wide.ad.jp; dmarc=none action=none header.from=microsoft.com;
x-originating-ip: [2001:67c:370:128:948c:df8b:96e7:5af9]
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR03MB2265; 7:mopNOK8hHthqoTQ6EX/L8cJEgg+W0DLA6zb2bhKS2ooz0ow1yDwg6W4DiSfa/YmOW5u3fexk3tXXd08Qh3XxvrOT3njLPgd18von42JAqh9MxCD+bN9sSdDGjJTop4r9RDtYmy+pQX/cb4gepYJSkdYyfgHFPgEAUK1pW//X06HKz/hkgui22VixJWMDC++eS+FMpfYm+WFYI1goXf+WG8aWob74wLdeecORc+ckwh/I4CwdKKy1gopimVkpEvkp2IU536wHz6Crx7R+T6vrWvt3/+WlDFfQeWiAdjHZ4V9PiRA+ongGXqIMnbO40QksL6alJIkDGFWoK97VhrA1yBGKfmBZIX0vjG0L+iqx658=
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 090afede-78d7-4bad-c039-08d4760dd8ed
x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(2017030254075)(48565401081)(201703131423065)(201703031133071)(201702281549065); SRVR:CY1PR03MB2265;
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <CY1PR03MB22650C973543AAED4323E7ADA3320@CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:;
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(61425038)(6040439)(601004)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001)(6055026)(61426038)(61427038)(6041248)(20161123562025)(201703131423064)(201702281528064)(201703061421064)(201703061406064)(20161123560025)(20161123558025)(20161123555025)(20161123564025)(6072148); SRVR:CY1PR03MB2265; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR03MB2265;
x-forefront-prvs: 0260457E99
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(39860400002)(39850400002)(39410400002)(39840400002)(39400400002)(39450400003)(13464003)(377454003)(3660700001)(86362001)(53546009)(5660300001)(25786009)(3280700002)(8990500004)(2906002)(2900100001)(102836003)(6306002)(6116002)(189998001)(53936002)(6436002)(6506006)(9686003)(55016002)(122556002)(77096006)(99286003)(6246003)(33656002)(74316002)(305945005)(7736002)(76176999)(7696004)(8676002)(8936002)(10090500001)(54356999)(50986999)(229853002)(38730400002)(81166006)(2950100002)(10290500002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR03MB2265; H:CY1PR03MB2265.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en;
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Mar 2017 19:08:40.9862 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR03MB2265
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/U0WtQNOmMrRtcPPrzsVEEO4wFwY>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] xping and IPv6 Node Information Queries
X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List <int-area.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/int-area>, <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/int-area/>
List-Post: <mailto:int-area@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area>, <mailto:int-area-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:08:45 -0000

Right.  I think Windows even had an implementation of NIQ at one point.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ????
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:40 PM
> To: Internet Area <Int-area@ietf.org>
> Subject: [Int-area] xping and IPv6 Node Information Queries
> 
> The idea of xping reminded me of IPv6 Node Information Queries (RFC4620).
> In my understanding operators hated it because it was deemed to disclose
> too much information, and the feature is generally disabled by default if
> implemented.  Maybe the xping draft refers to it and explains how these two
> are different (I've not read the entire text of xping yet - sorry).
> 
> --
> JINMEI, Tatuya
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Int-area mailing list
> Int-area@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area