Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG

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From: Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
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Folks,

The liaison is from the IEEE 802.1 WG so will not be on the noted IEEE 802 liaison page.

I presume it will eventually show up on the IETF liaison site

Cheers,
Glenn.

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From: Juan Carlos Zuniga [mailto:juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com] 
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To: Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org>rg>; int-area@ietf.org; intarea-chairs@ietf.org
Cc: Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>om>; Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net> (paul.nikolich@att.net) <paul.nikolich@att.net>et>; John Messenger <jmessenger@advaoptical.com>om>; Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>om>; pat.thaler@broadcom.com
Subject: RE: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG

Thanks for the quick response Erik.

I'm CC'ing some IEEE 802 members that are not in the IntArea mailing list. 

I hope they can provide some answers to your questions below.

Best,

Juan Carlos 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:nordmark@acm.org]
> Sent: March 22, 2017 8:10 PM
> To: Juan Carlos Zuniga <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>om>; 
> int-area@ietf.org; intarea-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 
> 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
> 
> On 03/22/2017 02:30 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga wrote:
> > Dear IntArea WG,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that we have received the attached liaison letter from 
> > the IEEE 802.1 WG with respect to "IP over intentionally partially 
> > partitioned links" draft-nordmark-intarea-ippl-05.
> 
> I don't see the document listed on
> http://www.ieee802.org/Communications.shtml#Comm_1703
> 
> Will it be added there so we can refer to it?
> 
> 
> Some more detailed comments below:
> 
> > 1. The tone of the draft should be, "how a router can take advantage 
> > of the Asymmetric (Private) VLAN feature offered by 802.1Q bridges."
> 
> > 2. Modifying the section in question to describe how it works, 
> > without any conformance language on bridge behavior but explaining 
> > 802.1Q standard bridge configuration instead.
> 
> > 3. Make a normative reference to 802.1Q.
> 
> My bad; I thought I already had it as a reference.
> However, I'm not sure it can be normative since both annex B and annex 
> F are marked as informational in 802.1Q-1998. It wasn't clear to me 
> that there is sufficient material in the normative parts of 
> 802.1Q-1998 to describe the required behaviors for promiscuous, community, and isolated ports.
> 
> If the 802.1 group is asserting that all of those behaviors are
> (optional) parts of the 802.1Q-1998 standard it would be helpful to 
> know that.
> 
> In addition, if possible, also to have more specific references to 
> normative sections in 802.1Q which describe this behavior.
> 
> We'd still need some explanatory text in the draft to map between the 
> 802.1Q terminology and the "promiscuous, community, isolated"
> terminology that is used in industry. Before seeing the test I can't 
> tell whether such text would need to have RFc2119 terms to describe 
> the mapping. However, I don't think that would be a constraints on 
> bridge implementations but instead statements of the form "for the 
> purposes if running IP over 802.1Q we assume that 
> promisc/community/isolated ports are configured as follows using the 802.1Q asymetric VLAN standard...
> 
> But that is predicated on the all the necessary "private VLAN" 
> behaviors being part of the IEEE 802.1Q-1998 standard. So I'd be 
> greatful for clarifications on that point before I start editing the draft.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
>      Erik
> 
> >
> >
> > If you have any comments, please send them to the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > We will also allocate some time for to discuss about this during our 
> > meeting in Chicago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Juan-Carlos & Wassim
> >
> > (IntArea WG co-chairs)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*Glenn Parsons [mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com]
> > *Sent:* March 22, 2017 4:26 AM
> > *To:* statements@ietf.org; Juan Carlos Zuniga 
> > <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>om>; Suresh Krishnan 
> > <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>om>; Wassim Haddad 
> > <wassim.haddad@ericsson.com>
> > *Cc:* Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net> (paul.nikolich@att.net) 
> > <paul.nikolich@att.net>et>; John Messenger 
> > <jmessenger@advaoptical.com>om>; Janos Farkas 
> > <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>om>; pat.thaler@broadcom.com
> > *Subject:* Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
> >
> >
> >
> > Please find attached a liaison from the IEEE 802.1 WG.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be available to present this during the  IntArea WG meeting.
> > This is in regards to your agenda item #4.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Glenn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Glenn Parsons - Chair, IEEE 802.1
> >
> > glenn.parsons@ericsson.com <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>
> >
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> >
> >
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