Re: [Int-area] WG Adoption Call: IP Fragmentation Considered Fragile

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Fri, 03 August 2018 17:21 UTC

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>>>>> It also looks like (at first glance at least) these devices work only when there isn't multipath between the back and front side.
>>>> 
>>>> The A+P routers are stateless and do support multipath. Including traffic does not need to be symmetric.
>>>> That’s the main selling point for A+P, that you don’t need per flow state in the core of the network.
>>> 
>>> The +P part doesn’t seem like it’s compatible with fragmentation, though - yet it doesn’t update RFC791 to deprecate it throughout the Internet.
>> 
>> It’s not incompatible with fragmentation. Just that there are some pitfalls. As explained in rfc7597. 
> 
> A flawed solution is not reason to break the rest of the Internet by deprecating fragmentation.
> 
>> ...If you can solve this problem in a better way please go ahead. 
> 
> I don’t have to, nor do I care to. But it isn’t productive to break another part of the Internet in the search for a solution to this problem.

I don’t think that the runout of IPv4 addresses should come as a surprise to any one… nor that it has implications on the architecture of the Internet.
I think you are in the rough here…

Cheers,
Ole