Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-00.txt

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Thu, 16 August 2018 21:07 UTC

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On Aug 16, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

>> IMO, the statement that "Networks MUST support IP level
>> fragmented packets." is appropriate. 
> 
> As a motto for the Internet, yes. For the present draft, not so much

Th draft can still advise how to adapt with ole still making this assertion. 

Ie, we recognize that MUST != DO

But it outright to also provide specific advice on how frag should be supported so that noncompliance net devices can be fixed too. 

Joe