Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Wed, 04 September 2019 18:12 UTC

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To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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On 2019-09-04 11:05, Fred Baker wrote:

> I did some of the edits, so I'll respond. Alissa issues a comment. We also got several other comments over the summer. This update responds to a set of comments. I'm on vacation and mostly out of contact, so my co-authors will need to proceed as appropriate. But this was NOT a matter of one person commenting and unrelated edits happening.
> 
> For the record, I agree that fragmentation will in fact be used by applications and transports that are using it now, unless and until they are changed. Expecting otherwise is a fool's errand. Hence, while there are known problems with it, fragmentation and reassembly MAY be used. I don't think anyone is disputing that.

And yet the text that says exactly that has been removed and replaced
with text that says exactly the opposite (that it will fail). 

So whose consensus is this currently representing? 

Joe