Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> Tue, 25 January 2022 11:38 UTC

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From: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>
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> On 25 Jan 2022, at 6:19 pm, Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
>  
> Thanks for the great discussion, following our side meeting at IETF 112, so far.
>  
> I wanted to turn the discussion to a key question which not only arose in the side meeting already but also in the discussions since, namely “what is an address anyway?”.
>  

In this world of NATs it seems that we treat addresses as no more than temporary ephemeral session tokens and we've passed all the heavy lifting of service identification over to the name system. These days you and I could be accessing the same service yet we could b e using entirely different addresses to do so. Or I could be accessing the same service at different times, and again be using different addresses each time. I find it somewhat ironic that we see increasing moves to pull in IP addresses as part of the set of personal information in some regulatory regimes, yet what the larger network sees of end clients is a temporary NAT binding to a public address that may be shared by hundreds if not thousands of others.

And IPv6’s use of privacy addressing achieves a similar outcome in a different way. And QUIC’s use of the session token inside the encrypted envelope even makes the binding of an address to a single session fluid, as the same QUIC session can be address agile on the client side. 

So perhaps an address these days is just an ephemeral transport token and really has little more in the way of semantic intent.

Geoff