Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Sun, 01 March 2020 02:58 UTC

To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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On 27/2/20 20:10, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> 
>> It does matter whether it happens at the IP source (origin host, tunnel ingress, etc.) or on the path of that header.
> 
> It happens on tunnel ingress and tunnel egress nodes (egress = node 
> listed in DA of the packet).

That is obviously a lie.

PSP happens en-route.  Isn't it obvious from the fact that "PSP" stands 
for "PENULTIMATE Segment Pop"? It's done at the last waypoint on the way 
to the final destination of the packet.

The same is true for the TI-LFA behavior with you moved out to a 
different document: it causes an extension header to be inserted in IPv6 
packets while en-route to the final destination 
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa).

It is quite curious the mode in which the proponents of this behavior, 
and even more that consensus has been claimed on this document.

I'm glad that there are more eyes now looking at what's going on.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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[Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architectur… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra