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Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Thu, 17 September 2020 18:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
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Because the PLAT, which is a NAT64 do that.

As it has been said before, there are thousands of hundreds of millions of subscribers doing that already, some of them started doing that several years ago (example T-Mobile in US). Look at the deployments in India and China for cases in other regions, not to forget European ISPs, some in Africa and some in LAC.

I'm building a network (I can't yet disclose de details) in your region, for 25 millions subscribers using the same model, just slowed down because the Covid-19.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 17/9/20 20:03, "Int-area en nombre de Khaled Omar" <int-area-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> escribió:

    So in this scenario:

            A                                                                                                   B
    IPv6-ONLY -------- CLAT ---------- ISP ------------ PLAT ---------- IPv4-Only

    How can A communicate to B ? 

    Regards,

    Khaled Omar

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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    Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

    Yes, it does.

    Actually, just NAT64 alone (with DNS64) can do that.

    464XLAT can do that even without DNS64.

    Regards,
    Jordi
    @jordipalet



    El 17/9/20 19:58, "Int-area en nombre de Khaled Omar" <int-area-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> escribió:

        Excuse me, 464Xlat supports IPv6-ONLY to IPv4-Only communication?

        Khaled Omar

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> 
        Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:03 PM
        To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
        Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>; int-area <int-area@ietf.org>
        Subject: RE: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

        On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, Khaled Omar wrote:

        > What about those who will have IPv6-only?! What will they do ?! Isn't this enough to convince you about the problem?

        We have multiple solutions to that already. NAT64+464XLAT is one. It's already used by hundreds of millions of mobile devices around the world.

        -- 
        Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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