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Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> Thu, 17 September 2020 15:20 UTC

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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
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>> That way you'll discover what you have misunderstood in your communication scenarios and packet formats.

How VPN works ? What a tunnel means ? 

Of course it works by encrypting the L3 packet header and adding a new L3 header, is there a problem with this scenario.

IPv10 almost works like this without encryption of course and with only one header (or maybe we can add extension header if people choose that).

I don't see where is the problem, I don't work for Cisco or Microsoft to modify the code of networking and make the header contains a mixture of both version, ask them regarding this issue and they will answer better than me. 

Khaled Omar

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, Khaled Omar wrote:

> I’m not a code developer, really we are repeating same requirements, 
> so what is the meaning of a work group?!!!!!

Look into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapy and craft the packets that way for your different deployment scenarios, and make diagrams/flow charts over how the information is processed by each type of node for each of your deployment scenarios.

That way you'll discover what you have misunderstood in your communication scenarios and packet formats.

Also include things like dns lookups for before L3 communication can even occur. Also study the POSIX socket interface and come up with the changes that need to be done there.

After you've done all this and documented it I think people might be a lot less dismissive of your ideas.

What you're asking for now is for people to spend time on your ideas (that basically all of us think are completely non-starters for us obvious reasons), instead I think you should put in more work to make your ideas more "baked". You'll also discover the problems with it once you start to dig deeper.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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