Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Thu, 27 February 2020 22:58 UTC

To: Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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On 27/2/20 19:43, Bernard Aboba wrote:
> Fernando --
> 
> "the proponents have argued that "we have implemented it,
> and the industry wants it" -- as if we just have to rubberstamp what
> they have done."
> 
> [BA] The IETF has no enforcement authority, so that vendors have the 
> ability to ship products implementing IETF standards in whole or in part 
> - or not at all.  

Agreed. The problem here is that it's an *IETF* working group 
rubber-stamping what a vendor did. *That* is the problem.

May I ask what is the point of bothering publishing specs if they are 
going to be violated at will *within the same organization that 
published the specs*.

As noted by Jinmei here 
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/XZ_D_cfPNNzXpi4_ZbuTidMTo4k/> 
, I believe not only are we just rubber-stamping stuff, but also I 
believe that our processes are being circumvented.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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[Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architectur… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra