Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Wed, 19 July 2017 19:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP
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On 7/19/2017 12:37 PM, Olivier Bonaventure wrote:
> On 19/07/17 18:32, Joe Touch wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2017 12:41 AM, Olivier Bonaventure wrote:
>>>> - IMO, TCP always needs to be able to fall back (which should be
>>>> true now)
>>>
>>> This is not a concern with the proposed design 
>> Prove that is true if/when TCP-AO is enabled.
>
> I don't think that TCP-AO is a use case for the proposed converters.

You don't get to decide that. If you use TCP, then TCP-AO could be
enabled on the client.

Joe