Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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On 2020-02-27 15:10, Robert Raszuk wrote: >> It does matter whether it happens at the IP source (origin host, tunnel ingress, etc.) or on the path of that header. > It happens on tunnel ingress and tunnel egress nodes (egress = node listed in DA of the packet). Ingress can create whatever header it wants but needs to do fragmentation (and potentially PLPMTUD over the tunnel with the egress). Egress can strip the outer header but not make the inner one bigger, IMO. Is something else being proposed? Joe
- [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architectur… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
- [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
- [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Andrew Alston
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
- [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra