Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community

Suzanne Woolf <suzworldwide@gmail.com> Sun, 27 July 2014 23:18 UTC

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Olivier, Avri,

I'm not sure I agree that "new accountability mechanisms [are] needed for *all* functions." It seems to me entirely possible that in examining needs for the future, and analyzing how things might change in the absence of NTIA, we will find that in some cases, the mechanisms we already have are perfectly adequate. 

I've reviewed the graphic Olivier refers to, and I'm not convinced that whoever wrote it meant to force an assumption that "new accountability mechanisms" are required for all the IANA functions, only that accountability mechanisms need to be documented and understood. Given also how hard ICANN has tried to avoid being prescriptive in this process where it wasn't necessary, and how carefully the ICG is guarding its self-determination so far, I'm not sure I'd regard such a view as the last word on the subject. 

I'm also reminded that ICANN is undertaking a discussion about replacing NTIA's supposed general accountability role ("adults in the room") with an "ICANN Accountability " examination process of some kind, which I'd thought was intended to look at such global accountability concerns separately from specifics of the day-to-day IANA functions. We can hope to see that take more definite shape soon.

best,
Suzanne

On Jul 23, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

> I'd just like to register my agreement with Avri on this.
> 
> Please be so kind to review the table in this document:
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-scoping-08apr14-en.pdf
> 
> I clearly points to new accountability mechanisms needed for *all*
> functions.
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> (own views)
> 
> On 22/07/2014 13:30, Avri Doria wrote:
>> 
>> On 22-Jul-14 06:00, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
>>> NTIA today has nothing to do with "accountability mechanisms for each
>>> of the parties administering each parameter space" under IETF policy
>>> management, and touches only a very small handful of general purpose
>>> parameter spaces associated with IETF protocols (DNS and IP).
>> I disagree.  NTIA provides a giant accountability function.
>> 
>> Just about everyone goes running to NTIA whenever something they don't
>> like happens.  And the fine folks at NTIA finesse the situation and get
>> things back on the right track.  I believe it happens all the time.
>> 
>> NTIA are the adults in the room and we better have adequate
>> accountability all around when they step out of their role.
>> 
>> avri
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