Re: [Internetgovtech] The Internet, Architecture, Governance, Technical Work and Net History: A Speci

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Thu, 25 April 2019 01:16 UTC

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From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 08:16:23 +0700
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Dear All,

The Internet architecture --the Internet protocols and their designs-- are
in situations among which is about its possible inplementations enabled by
such a governance(s). That is supposedly a matter of the Internet
Governance suitable with what was ever officially published by the Internet
Architecture Board related with the release of internetgovtech@iab.org
mailing list (2013)

"to discuss topics regarding the intersection of Internet governance and
IETF technical work. In particular, this list will focus on issues relating
to Internet governance and regulation, including the 2014 ITU
Plenipotentiary Conference, and their potential to impact the future of the
Internet architecture".

https://iab.org/activities/internet-governance/

Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Kamis, 25 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>; menulis:

> Dear All,
>
> D. Thaler in his "Evolution of the IP Model" (RFC 6250) referring IP
> service model to section 2.2. of RFC 0791, RFC 1958, and section 2.1 of RFC
> 4903 --while the document as a whole referring also to other RFCs.
>
> There are also other historians and futurologs ever analysed the Internet
> architecture examplified by
>
> RFC 3274 "The Rise of the Middle and the Future of End-to-End Argument:
> Reflections on the Evolution of the Internet Architecture" (Kempf, J.  & R.
> Austen Eds., Network Working Group-IAB, 2004)
>
> This document examined the development of end-to-end principles as it had
> been applied by the Internet over years.
>
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3274
>
> RFC 1827 "Toward The Future Internet Architecture" (Clark, D. et all.,
> Network Working Group, 1991)
>
> This document represented an understanding that the Internet architecture
> as "the grand plan behind the TCP/IP protocol suite" envisioned its
> possible evolution as there had been increasing signs of strains on the
> fundemental architecture mostly stemming from the continued growth of the
> Internet.
>
>
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1287
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Rabu, 24 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>; menulis:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> The reasoning of "The Internet, Architecture, Governance, Technical Work,
>> and Net History" I said above "Individuals, or collective individuals, are
>> in an age of the Internet...": as it concerns with "concept", "discourse"
>> and "history" is supposedly inspired by my personal experiences of reading
>> works on and by Michel Foucault, Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari.
>>
>> To those have interests with the "supposed inspiration" are pleased to
>> visit these links below
>>
>>
>> https://www.espacestemps.net/?s=Foucault&x=7&y=8
>>
>> https://www.espacestemps.net/?s=Deleuze%2C+Guattari&x=0&y=0
>>
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Rabu, 24 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> The websites www.datatracker.ietf.org and www.rfc-editor.org are
>>> historians for the services of historical archives the provide. While a
>>> personal historian may deserve to mention, especially on the "Internet
>>> Architecture":
>>>
>>> D. Thaler documented aspects of Internet Protocol service model as they
>>> evolved over time .... Some guidence for protocol designers an implementers
>>> were also suggested...
>>>
>>> "RFC 6250: Evolution of IP Service Model" (IAB, May 2011)
>>>
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6250
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>> Pada Selasa, 23 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> As Brian E. Carpenter referred the "Internet Architecture" to Internet
>>>> protocols and their designs (mentioned in my message April 21st 2019): it
>>>> looks "special" to mention "RFC 791: Internet Protocol" (J. Postel,
>>>> September 1981) and its histories -- those obsolete and updates: which is
>>>> about the name/title "Internet Protocol" they have...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc791
>>>>
>>>> The RFC 791 is one of Official Internet Protocol Standards: Internet
>>>> Standards --of which there are ones do not use terms "Internet Protocol" --
>>>> for examples "Transmission Control Protocol", "User Datagram Protocol", "
>>>> Broadcasting Internet Datagrams"...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards
>>>>
>>>> Regard,
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>> Pada Selasa, 23 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>>>> menulis:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> As Brian E. Carpenter referred the "Internet Architecture" to Internet
>>>>> protocols and their designs (mentioned in my message April 21st 2019): it
>>>>> looks "special" to mention "RFC 791: Internet Protocol" (J. Postel,
>>>>> September 1981) and its histories -- those obsolete and updates: which is
>>>>> about the name/title "Internet Protocol" they have....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc791
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard,
>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>
>>>>> Pada Selasa, 23 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Hesham and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a need for correction for the earlier message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The update "The Architectural Guidelines" (2002) --which I missed
>>>>>> before-- was made to propose such an extension of "Architectural Principles
>>>>>> of the Internet" (1996) as the latter considered complexity (control) in
>>>>>> relation with the Internet in large scale...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3439.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The update "The Architectural Guidelines" (2002) --which I missed
>>>>>> before-- was made to propose such an extension of "Architectural Principles
>>>>>> of the Internet" (1996) as the first considered complexity (control) in
>>>>>> relation with the Internet in large scale...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3439.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>> Gintur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pada Selasa, 23 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Hesham and All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The update "The Architectural Guidelines" (2002) --which I missed
>>>>>>> before-- was made to propose such an extension of "Architectural Principles
>>>>>>> of the Internet" (1996) as the latter considered complexity (control) in
>>>>>>> relation with the Internet in large scale...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3439.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pada Senin, 22 April 2019, Hesham ElBakoury <
>>>>>>> Hesham.ElBakoury@huawei.com>; menulis:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you meant RFC1958 which is updated by RFC3439.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hesham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Architecture-discuss [mailto:architecture-discuss-b
>>>>>>>> ounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 6:41 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* architecture-discuss@ietf.org; internetgovtech@iab.org;
>>>>>>>> nethistory@ietf.org
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [arch-d] The Internet, Architecture, Governance,
>>>>>>>> Technical Work and Net History: A Speci
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of the question "What is the Internet Architecture?" mentioned in
>>>>>>>> the earlier message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian. E. Carpenter's text "RFC 1985: Architectural Principles of
>>>>>>>> the Internet" mentioned about Internet protocols and their design: May this
>>>>>>>> links helpful to get arrived there at related archives ( as the text did
>>>>>>>> not use any online source but suppposedly paper ones as references)...:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search?name=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - https://www.rfc-editor.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Here are  menus "Internet Standard", "Official Internet Protocol
>>>>>>>> Standards", and "advanced search".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pada Senin, 22 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Individuals, or collectifs of individuals, are in an age of the
>>>>>>>> Internet. It is such a presence may be approached and sensed by many ways
>>>>>>>> --even when one said that s/he had just eat a food which a receipt was
>>>>>>>> gotten by communicating by the Internet..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Among others there are presences of "the Internet Architecture",
>>>>>>>> "Internet Governance and Technical Work" and "Net History" as they
>>>>>>>> represent interest-based mailing lists. How could one get arrived into
>>>>>>>> those matters (together) --such a programmatic readership/learning: as
>>>>>>>> sources and concepts have history and discources collectives/net... ?
>>>>>>>> Should we imagine about information sources by making such a readership
>>>>>>>> based on the linkage between the three...? Thus we may say about "The
>>>>>>>> Internet Architecture, Governance and Technical Works: a Net History" (to
>>>>>>>> say "A Net History in Terms of The Internet Architecture, Governance and
>>>>>>>> Technical Work)...? --there would be a discourse map on the special
>>>>>>>> readership which is about a co-presence of mailing lists...? --as one may
>>>>>>>> use search engines of each mailing list for related interests...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To make an engagement with the programme should we go with such
>>>>>>>> tentative journeys considering parts of the special readership...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By considering the reasoning above:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the question on "What is the Internet Architecture?" we may
>>>>>>>> refer to (archival) sources
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "RFC 1958: Architectural Principles of the Internet"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Carpenter, Brian E. Ed, IAB, 1996)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1958
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Note:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a snapshot record of the principles of the Internet
>>>>>>>> Achitecture intended for general guidance and general interest...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was updated by RFC 3439...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both the concept "Internet Architecture" and the document RFC 1958
>>>>>>>> have history bringing readers to other relevant sources... They supposedly
>>>>>>>> also give suggestions to come to broader or other conceptual discourses on
>>>>>>>> "governance and technical work"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>