[Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross community)
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Tue, 22 July 2014 18:23 UTC
Return-Path: <sm@elandsys.com>
X-Original-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E53A1A0061 for <internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.791
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcVKFx_O5jTV for <internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624411A0004 for <internetgovtech@iab.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.147.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s6MINJIe017441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1406053413; x=1406139813; bh=dpNOsNgtdSoKOX+dcGZysLUtPsum+u4OzJd06+XcQdU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=oUTzDlSwEvCr0irQ70sDy4eLxFHY+7SAuHHogpIr0ty3PNEFD58FMdLbDVPzZ8D7E GTTNvouyoBNA5xUvF+E1rEy8zqJvyHirGkmDt5AcHuy6Myj/1AjiXTS4e7lEhl9pLL 3JNu5KT6b/4L3oGU4GeUgIDF6xtmAtAjg9kRgS1I=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1406053413; x=1406139813; i=@elandsys.com; bh=dpNOsNgtdSoKOX+dcGZysLUtPsum+u4OzJd06+XcQdU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=HLn5hAdp4vv4I3iS3Tod6+1nbdK7iQybXotHzB5vSTYq1d8mCQlG34QYCSItRjw+U A3EI6NzLgsnmX9Gon/PkdVqex57w/1WZ4XTckIQeDEZHDRUC2EybNr4UUxOvlS+s/i j2iAMEToqHpzYocFPbfp4okleCCuIiUnwt704sQI=
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20140722095605.0bfc4d08@resistor.net>
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:48:02 -0700
To: John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
In-Reply-To: <3683599A-0C7F-4556-9B46-4C41444D0424@istaff.org>
References: <A193D048-2B67-469A-93BA-C61BB362DA75@vigilsec.com> <53CD1E8A.1060804@acm.org> <FA4238C4-ADDC-435F-9591-E3B074C2F6F6@vigilsec.com> <53CD2300.5050307@acm.org> <20140721143105.GH16966@mx1.yitter.info> <53CD291E.1020801@acm.org> <9045EC0A-E123-4CDC-B87F-5BC32C644C85@istaff.org> <53CD57E8.4000909@acm.org> <B7163126-31B6-4CC6-A711-F225051C294A@istaff.org> <53CD8F41.9060909@gih.com> <3683599A-0C7F-4556-9B46-4C41444D0424@istaff.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/internetgovtech/9OaLf2GMRwfZYouSd5EPMIZEfs0
Cc: internetgovtech@iab.org, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>
Subject: [Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross community)
X-BeenThere: internetgovtech@iab.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Internet Governance and IETF technical work <internetgovtech.iab.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.iab.org/mailman/options/internetgovtech>, <mailto:internetgovtech-request@iab.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.iab.org/mail-archive/web/internetgovtech/>
List-Post: <mailto:internetgovtech@iab.org>
List-Help: <mailto:internetgovtech-request@iab.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech>, <mailto:internetgovtech-request@iab.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:23:43 -0000
Hi John, This comment is unrelated to the transition. At 18:03 21-07-2014, John Curran wrote: >created out of that process. I guess if the IETF were to make a >habit of embedding social policy aspects into its protocol design, >one could argue that its processes and accountability mechanisms >become a valid item to review, but the IETF hasn't historically >been embedding public policy values into its protocol designs... During discussions about protocol design there are instances where the line between the technical aspects and the other aspects not that clear. As an example, I posted a review of a BCP at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-privacy/current/msg00454.html My personal experience is that it is becoming difficult to determine whether I am straying too far away from the technical aspects during discussions about surveillance. There was an IETF discussion yesterday about an IETF technology and Africa. Someone argued [1] that security is not considered as a high priority in Africa and that it makes sense to do have intermediaries in between the servers and the users. There are technical benefits for having intermediaries. This is where a person would have to decide whether it is appropriate, as part of the design, to allow interception in the protocol. Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. I did not catch the exact words and I could be misinterpreting what was said.
- [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meeting … Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Avri Doria
- [Internetgovtech] Cross community (was: Re: ICANN… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- [Internetgovtech] off topic: labels (was Re: Docu… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] off topic: labels (was Re: … Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- [Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross comm… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Policy aspects (was: Cross … John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Documents from the ICG Meet… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community JFC Morfin
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Seun Ojedeji
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Steve Crocker
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Steve Crocker
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Eric Burger
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Cross community Jari Arkko