Re: [Internetgovtech] Costs (Was: Re: Transition to the web)

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Sun, 13 July 2014 21:16 UTC

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Thanks for your note, John. I think we are in agreement… perhaps even 
more than you assume :-) I just wanted to clarify my thinking regarding 
the finances part:

> [1} I do worry about finances a bit more than Jari's note
> suggests that he does.   The reason is the hypothesis that the
> "domain name market" is a bit of a bubble that could collapse
> (e.g., as the understanding becomes more general that users are
> lots more dependent on search engines and local
> bookmarks/favorites than on the details of DNS names at the top
> few levels of the tree).

There are several scenarios where something like the above could
happen. My slightly smaller worry of the finances than yours is
not so much dependent on believing that such things could not
happen. They could, particularly on a longer timescales.

My opinion was based more on the relative size of the cost
associated with the protocol parameters function. And a personal
opinion about the likelihood of being able to finance that in some 
new scenario. Not hoping a bad scenario comes to reality, but
I am relatively confident about the kinds of things we could
do under different circumstances. YMMV.

Jari