Re: [Internetgovtech] Transition to the web
Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Thu, 10 July 2014 14:42 UTC
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From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Transition to the web
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I agree with the view stated by Lucy, it's not about discussing on another list. For me it's just the fact that ICANN seem not to care on this one by not making any attempt to address all the comments by the community. This is a community process that exceed ICANN immediate community and so it's somewhat militant to have acted the way they did. Whenever I read Fadi call for participation of various stakeholders in this process, I get encouraged because he seem passionate about it. However when you get the participation and don't by action show them that you are listening makes it against the "loose" term called M'ism which is supposed to be the foundation in this process! Regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 10 Jul 2014 14:44, "Lucy Lynch" <llynch@civil-tongue.net> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Dan York wrote: > > I find myself agreeing with Avri a bit here that I'm not entirely clear >> on what the issue is... >> > > Dan - > > For me this is about inclusion by default (the push of email to each user > with the opening for response in your own time) vs the need to constantly > check in on a coversation (the pull of on line forums with the requirement > to fit yourself into the correct thread). The flow of a list works better > for me and it's easy enough to state norms for participstion when the > conversation drifts. I'd prefer to opt for tacit inclusion - you lose folks > with every gate you put in the path. > > typing in alpine on a free bsd server... > > -Lucy > > > On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org >> >> >> wrote: >> >> BTW, I think I may have lost the thread on this. The thing we are upset >> about is a mailing list? >> >> I get that ICANN shut down the ianatransition@icann.org<mailto: >> ianatransition@icann.org> mailing list and asked everyone to move to a >> web discussion forum: >> >> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ianatransition/2014/001160.html >> >> I get that they did this without a whole lot of public notice and without >> much discussion. I further understand that when you go to that web >> discussion forum at: >> >> http://discuss-stewardship.icann.org/t/welcome-to-the-discussion/47 >> >> you are agreeing by participating to abide by their Standards of >> Behavior[1], Privacy Policy[2], and Terms of Service[3]: >> >> [1] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected- >> standards-2012-05-15-en >> [2] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/privacy-2012-12-21-en >> [3] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/tos-2014-06-13-en >> >> I've scanned through all three and they all seem to be the typical kinds >> of documents you see associated with discussion forums and online sites. >> Quite frankly, I'm glad to see they have these documents posted because it >> provides a framework that can be used to deal with trolls and other people >> who are being abusive. >> >> From some comments here on the list I gather there is a concern about >>> one bullet item in the Standards of Behavior [1]: >>> >> >> • Protect the organization’s assets and ensure their efficient and >> effective use. >> >> Which I personally took as "don't DDoS the website or otherwise do bad >> things to ICANN's infrastructure", but I gather others are perhaps >> interpreting as thinking of IANA as an ICANN "asset" and thereby biasing >> the discussion. >> >> Is that the primary concern here? If so, could we perhaps suggest to >> ICANN some clarifying language for this "Standards of Behavior" document to >> address the concerns? Perhaps they would be fine making modifications to >> the document. >> >> Additionally, would it not be reasonable to assume that if these >> documents apply to an ICANN-hosted web discussion forum they would *ALSO* >> apply to an ICANN-hosted mailing list? Perhaps that was never explicitly >> stated in the sign-up page for the mailing list, but I could see a message >> from "ICANN staff" going out to the mailing list stating something along >> these lines. Many or most of us have probably been on lists where this is >> done from time to time by the list admins. It seems to me to be a >> reasonable expectation. >> >> If people are still unhappy with all three of these documents then >> perhaps, as Avri noted, discussions should take place on some of the other >> lists and forums that are out there on this issue. >> >> Or am I missing something else here? >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Internetgovtech mailing list > Internetgovtech@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech > > _______________________________________________ > Internetgovtech mailing list > Internetgovtech@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech > >
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