Re: [Internetgovtech] Transition to the web

[John Springer <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Lucy Lynch wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Dan York wrote:
>
>> I find myself agreeing with Avri a bit here that I'm not entirely clear on 
>> what the issue is...
>
> Dan -
>
> For me this is about inclusion by default (the push of email to each user 
> with the opening for response in your own time) vs the need to constantly 
> check in on a coversation (the pull of on line forums with the requirement to 
> fit yourself into the correct thread). The flow of a list works better for me 
> and it's easy enough to state norms for participstion when the conversation 
> drifts. I'd prefer to opt for tacit inclusion - you lose folks with every 
> gate you put in the path.

Whole heartedly agree.

> typing in alpine on a free bsd server...

also

John Springer


> -Lucy
>
>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Avri Doria <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, I think I may have lost the thread on this.  The thing we are upset
>> about is a mailing list?
>> 
>> I get that ICANN shut down the 
>> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> mailing list and 
>> asked everyone to move to a web discussion forum:
>> 
>> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ianatransition/2014/001160.html
>> 
>> I get that they did this without a whole lot of public notice and without 
>> much discussion.   I further understand that when you go to that web 
>> discussion forum at:
>> 
>> http://discuss-stewardship.icann.org/t/welcome-to-the-discussion/47
>> 
>> you are agreeing by participating to abide by their Standards of 
>> Behavior[1], Privacy Policy[2], and Terms of Service[3]:
>> 
>> [1] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en
>> [2] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/privacy-2012-12-21-en
>> [3] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/tos-2014-06-13-en
>> 
>> I've scanned through all three and they all seem to be the typical kinds of 
>> documents you see associated with discussion forums and online sites. 
>> Quite frankly, I'm glad to see they have these documents posted because it 
>> provides a framework that can be used to deal with trolls and other people 
>> who are being abusive.
>> 
>>> From some comments here on the list I gather there is a concern about one 
>>> bullet item in the Standards of Behavior [1]:
>> 
>> ? Protect the organization?s assets and ensure their efficient and 
>> effective use.
>> 
>> Which I personally took as "don't DDoS the website or otherwise do bad 
>> things to ICANN's infrastructure", but I gather others are perhaps 
>> interpreting as thinking of IANA as an ICANN "asset" and thereby biasing 
>> the discussion.
>> 
>> Is that the primary concern here?    If so, could we perhaps suggest to 
>> ICANN some clarifying language for this "Standards of Behavior" document to 
>> address the concerns?  Perhaps they would be fine making modifications to 
>> the document.
>> 
>> Additionally, would it not be reasonable to assume that if these documents 
>> apply to an ICANN-hosted web discussion forum they would *ALSO* apply to an 
>> ICANN-hosted mailing list?   Perhaps that was never explicitly stated in 
>> the sign-up page for the mailing list, but I could see a message from 
>> "ICANN staff" going out to the mailing list stating something along these 
>> lines. Many or most of us have probably been on lists where this is done 
>> from time to time by the list admins.  It seems to me to be a reasonable 
>> expectation.
>> 
>> If people are still unhappy with all three of these documents then perhaps, 
>> as Avri noted, discussions should take place on some of the other lists and 
>> forums that are out there on this issue.
>> 
>> Or am I missing something else here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> 
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