Re: [Internetgovtech] Contracts, what problems we are solving (Was: Re: Transition to the web)

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Mon, 14 July 2014 19:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Contracts, what problems we are solving (Was: Re: Transition to the web)
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Is not the threat of non-renewal the single oversight mechanism 
currently in place for ICANN?  And is not the central question of the 
transition, what should replace it?

Personally, I have seen very few cases of self-oversight - and none come 
immediately to mind.

Miles Fidelman

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Eric,
>
> Pardon me if i may have missed something, this discussion seem to be 
> going in the line of maintaining the IANA contract regime. If yes, 
> then who will be the awarder and in whose capacity/authority will the 
> awarder be doing that?
>
> While i also agree that there is really noting much about IP and 
> Protocol (although IP process to me may need some re-dress), i am not 
> sure the way to handle the names is by continuing the contracting 
> approach. There is absolutely no need to create another layer of 
> lobbying politics; ICANN should be self healing and IMO, review of the 
> role of the AC/SO backed up with an external process to resolve 
> conflict may be helpful.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams 
> <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net <mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 7/14/14 9:06 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>         An essential point to a legitimate contract is providing for the
>         possibility of switching to someone else.
>
>
>     The 2011 NTIA NOI and follow-on RFP proposed the IANA Functions
>     contract to be awarded through a competitive bid process, and for
>     a finite term.
>
>     The subsequent contract was awarded to the sole bidder, upon
>     re-tender, the incumbent contractor, for a term of three (3)
>     years, extensible to five (5) years.
>
>     Removing either the finiteness of the term, or the competitive
>     process of bidding, really should be explained by their respective
>     advocates, if any.
>
>     Eric
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