Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam)
"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 10 February 2017 20:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam)
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Well, indeed. This is why I was scratching away at whether this is a proposal for a generic OAM encapsulation. AFAICS the devil is in the detail of the encapsulation/forwarding/switching mechanism and a lot of the information that has to be encoded will be different. So, will this proposal lead to more than a set of TLVs that would be filled out for different use cases? It *might* be that it would be more useful to identify the target us cases (i.., those that people want to build and deploy now) and work on those. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ioam [mailto:ioam-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern > Sent: 10 February 2017 19:34 > To: Ram Krishnan; Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) > Cc: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Frank Brockners (fbrockne); The IAB; > iesg@ietf.org; ioam@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (aretana); Spencer Dawkins at IETF > Subject: Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) > > I would be very careful about using this proposal as a justification for > an iOAM working group. > it is SFC specific. > And there are some interesting challenges in the details. > > Yours, > Joel
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Frank Brockners (fbrockne)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- [Ioam] R: Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Fioccola Giuseppe
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Ram Krishnan
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Ram Krishnan
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Ram Krishnan
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Joe Clarke
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Ioam] Internal WG Review: In-situ OAM (ioam) Stewart Bryant