Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Trimming Whitespace from the beginning of DISCUSS and COMMENT

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Thu, 01 March 2012 15:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [iola-conversion-tool] Trimming Whitespace from the beginning of DISCUSS and COMMENT
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On 3/1/12 5:32 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Russ, Robert,
>
> I've entered this into the issue tracker as #781:
>    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/781
>
> On 2012-02-28 22:03 Robert Sparks said:
>> I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.
>>
>> That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when
>> preparing email, have been
>> consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by
>> default, but allows us
>> to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to
>> get the information across?
> That should be possible, but may move the re-flowing operation from
> entry to presentation, where I believe we have it now, in order to not
> mess with what's entered into the database.
>
> Can you give me some examples of where reflowing is messing things up?
>
> If re-flowing is only applied for very long lines and on presentation,
> then anything

> you enter with proper formatting should be left alone.
What do you mean by proper formatting? What formatting is improper?
I really would like to have the option to make the presentation leave 
what I've
sent alone - full stop. I would also like the option to let the 
presentation have
its way with my layout.

We have conflicting requirements. Some folks want to use tools that produce
long-line form paragraphs and want the presentation to do line breaks. Some
folks want to use tools that introduce line breaks for them. Depending 
on what
kind of discuss I'm preparing I different ones, so I get poor results 
with anything
that chooses just one behavior.

In lieu of that, maybe we could get a preview option showing what the 
presentation
code is going to do so we have a chance to work around it if we need to?

Here's an example where the current behavior and what I entered interact 
badly
for the web presentation.

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pcp-base/ballot/>

> I'll check the code to see if this is the way it's being handled now.
>
>> RjS
>>
>> On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or
>>> comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form
>>> seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.
> Ok; we should check whether this is done on entry or at presentation
> time -- do you have an example to look at?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
>