Re: [iola-wgcharter-tool] A question about the states in RFC 6292

Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Wed, 31 August 2011 10:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [iola-wgcharter-tool] A question about the states in RFC 6292
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Hi Martin,

On 2011-08-31 10:23 Martin Qvist said:
> Hi
> 
> The behaviour you describe is already handled (with Henriks proposed
> states) in the implementation. The active charter is showed under
> /wg/wgacronym (it shows the charter with the highest revision XX), and
> the newly proposed charter texts are shown under /wgrecord/wgacronym
> (the charters with revision XX-00, XX-01, etc.). When the proposed new
> charter is approved it gets revision XX+1 and is then shown in both
> /wg/wgacronym and /wgrecord/wgacronym.

But as long as those are just different revisions of the same document,
we won't be able to have different states for them, right?  I mean, then
someone who went to look at the current charter document would be able
to extract a state of for instance 'Informal IESG Review' instead of
'Approved' because a later revision of the document would exist, with
that state?


Best regards,

	Henrik

> I hope this is clear enough.
> 
> Best,
> Martin
> 
> On 31/08/2011 00:25, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Henrik:
>>
>> I see a  problem with your proposal as I understand it.
>>
>> When there is a charter in place, a recharter is a discussion about replacing that charter.  The potential recharter can take many revisions, and while this is happening, the original charter remain the 'active' one.  When the recharter is approved, it become the 'active' one.  So, during the recharter there are two documents in play.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While implementing the WG Charter tool, we discovered a potential problem
>>> with the state description in RFC 6292,
>>>   http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6292
>>>
>>> The RFC describes one set of review states for a WG during initial
>>> chartering, and another set of review states during re-chartering:
>>>
>>> Initial:
>>>    o  Informal IESG review
>>>    o  Internal review
>>>    o  External review
>>>    o  IESG review
>>>    o  WG exists
>>>    o  Not currently under review
>>>
>>> Rechartering:
>>>    o  WG exists; Informal IESG recharter review
>>>    o  WG exists; Internal recharter review
>>>    o  WG exists; External recharter review
>>>
>>> Now, the objects which exists in the database which are relevant for
>>> the chartering process are two:  A *WG Object* (which before the RFC 6292
>>> extensions can be in one of two states: 'Active' and 'Concluded'), and a
>>> *Document Object*, the Charter, which potentially can get any set of
>>> appropriate states we care to assign it.
>>>
>>> There is no 'WG Review' object to hold a 'review state', and there seems
>>> to be a mixture in what the review states listed above applies to - WG,
>>> charter, or a review process.
>>>
>>> Our suggestion, and the way we have implemented this in the code currently,
>>> is to split the states up as described below.  From these states, all of
>>> the 'review states' above can be synthesized if desired, although we would
>>> propose that it's more straightforward to display the WG state and the
>>> Charter document state directly:
>>>
>>>   * The WG object keeps its current states, and gets a new one:
>>> 	o Proposed
>>> 	o Active
>>> 	o Concluded
>>>
>>>   * The Charter Document Object gets the following states:
>>> 	o Informal IESG Review
>>> 	o  Informal IESG review
>>> 	o  Internal review
>>> 	o  External review
>>> 	o  IESG review
>>> 	o  Not currently under review
>>> 	o Approved
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>>>
>>>
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