Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Anima] Hold for IoT Onboarding Virtual Meeting

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 08 August 2019 19:20 UTC

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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 21:20:44 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Anima] Hold for IoT Onboarding Virtual Meeting
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Sorry, but i continue to think its not just lame, its wrong.
Either leave UTC+x away, or make it correct for the given date (UTC+2),
or write something like CETDST.

On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 08:38:35PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Aug 8, 2019, at 20:21, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> > 
> >> 5:00 pm - 6:00 pm Thursday, Aug 29 2019 (UTC+01:00) Amsterdam, Berlin,
> >> Bern, Rome, Stockholm, Vienna
> > 
> > And webex continues to confuse me,
> 
> Webex is just following the great tradition of certain other widely used calendaring tools: foist the confusion of the people that designed it on all of its users.
> 
> > because UTC+1 is NOT the local time
> > on Aug 29 in Amsterdam/Berlin because of DST,
> 
> The ???UTC+1??? is just a lame way of saying what the time in Amsterdam/Berlin normally is, for people who don???t know where those weird settlements might be.
> 
> > so is the meeting at
> > 5 PM UTC+1 or at 5 PM local time in Amsterdam/Berlin (UTC+2) ?
> 
> Webex is trying to tell you the meeting is at 17:00 (5 pm for people who get their time from sundials) at Amsterdam/Berlin local time, which happens to be UTC+0200 on that date.  You can always look up whether DST applies on timeanddate.com; this is none of Webex???s business.  Webex only tells you where Amsterdam/Berlin approximately are, because you are not expected to know that.
> 
> > Best to wait for EU to get rid of DST to fix this webex bug *sigh*.
> 
> Actually, that is probably true.  But if some countries go for permanent DST, Webex will then always show the wrong time and not just half the year.
> 
> The real fix is to announce all meetings in Reykjavik time (UTC+0000 the whole year).  Log in at ietf.webex.com, use the menu to go to preferences, and set the time zone to Monrovia/Reykjavik.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten

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