Re: [Iotops] How old is too old and what this means for product lifecycles? Re: [Last-Call] [TLS] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Sat, 05 December 2020 18:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iotops] How old is too old and what this means for product lifecycles? Re: [Last-Call] [TLS] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice
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On Dec 5, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> to improve the math one would have to amortize the cost of maintenance
> over many many flavors and makers of thingies.  so the acme thingie mfr,
> and the hackme thingie mfr, and the ... need to have a common code base
> and upgrade infrastructure.  this is seen as stifling innovation in a
> highly innovative and competitive space.
> 
> the time from first pitch to vc term sheet and funding has gone down to
> two weeks.  and the resulting landfill rivals the problem of plastics in
> the oceans.

The landfill issue is certainly heartbreaking. But most of those Shenzhen products you’re talking about are based on open source already. I’m not convinced that this particular problem is actually as intractable as you are suggesting.

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