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From: Marco Tiloca <marco.tiloca@ri.se>
To: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>, iotops@ietf.org
Cc: "iotops-chairs@ietf.org" <iotops-chairs@ietf.org>,
 draft-ietf-iotops-security-protocol-comparison.authors@ietf.org
Message-ID: <d8b785fb-676f-414b-8e2b-f4d1fad678db@ri.se>
Subject: Re: [Iotops] WGLC on
 draft-ietf-iotops-security-protocol-comparison-06
References: <71ca11c6-f0e4-4eaa-a208-4562bc59288a@isode.com>
In-Reply-To: <71ca11c6-f0e4-4eaa-a208-4562bc59288a@isode.com>

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    <font size=3D"4">Hi all,<br>
      <br>
      I have reviewed this document and I think it's largely ready.<br>
      <br>
      Please find below some suggestions for rephrasing, clarifications,
      and minor fixes.<br>
      <br>
      Best,<br>
      /Marco<br>
      <br>
      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
      <br>
      [Section 1]<br>
      <br>
      * "... and long waiting times between frames can be sent (or
      resent in the case of transmission errors)."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 I think you mean<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 "... and long waiting times can be experienced between=
 the
      frames that are sent (or resent in the case of transmission
      errors)."<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 2]<br>
      <br>
      * "... when used in the combined mode with OSCORE according to ...
      "<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Consistent with the formulation in Appendix A, this should b=
e<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "... when used over OSCORE with the EDHOC + OSCORE combined
      request ... "<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 3]<br>
      <br>
      * "The algorithm used/offered are P-256 [SP-800-186] or Curve25519
      [RFC7748], ECDSA [FIPS-186-5] with P-256 and SHA-256 or Ed25519
      [RFC8032], AES-CCM_8, and SHA-256 [FIPS-180-4]."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 Proposed rephrasing:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 "The algorithm used/offered are: P-256 [SP-800-186] or=

      Curve25519 [RFC7748]; ECDSA [FIPS-186-5] with P-256 and SHA-256,
      or EdDSA with Ed25519 [RFC8032]; AES-CCM_8; and SHA-256
      [FIPS-180-4]."<br>
      <br>
      * "DoS protection with DTLS HelloRetryRequest or the CoAP Echo
      Option is not considered."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 Proposed rephrasing:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 "DoS protection with DTLS HelloVerifyRequest [RFC6347]=
, or
      HelloRetryRequest [RFC9147], or the CoAP Echo Option [RFC9175] is
      not considered."<br>
      <br>
      * "The choices of algorithms are based on the profiles in
      [RFC7925], [I-D.ietf-uta-tls13-iot-profile], and
      [I-D.ietf-core-oscore-edhoc]."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 draft-ietf-core-oscore-edhoc does not play a particular role=
 in
      this respect. I think that a better reference about this point is
      simply Section 3.9 of RFC 9528. Proposed rephrasing:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "The choices of algorithms are based on the profiles in
      [RFC7925] and [I-D.ietf-uta-tls13-iot-profile], and on the used
      EDHOC application profiles, see Section 3.9 of [RFC9528]."<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 3.1]<br>
      <br>
      * "If 8 bytes identifiers are used instead of 1 byte, the RPK
      numbers for flight #2 and #3 increases with 7 bytes and the PSK
      numbers for flight #1 increases with 7 bytes."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 I think you mean:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "If 8 bytes identifiers are used instead of 1 byte, the RPK
      numbers for flight #2 and #3 increase of 7 bytes and the PSK
      numbers for flight #1 increase of 7 bytes."<br>
      <br>
      * "... and the mandatory to implement algorithms CCM_8, P-256, and
      ECDSA [I-D.ietf-uta-tls13-iot-profile]
      [I-D.ietf-core-oscore-edhoc]."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Instead of draft-ietf-core-oscore-edhoc, the right reference=
 to
      use for EDHOC is Section 8 or RFC 9528, where the
      mandatory-to-implement algorithms are defined.<br>
      <br>
      * "... with 8 bytes tags which is the mandatory to implement in
      [I-D.ietf-uta-tls13-iot-profile] and
      [I-D.ietf-core-oscore-edhoc]."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 Like for the previous comment and with some editorial
      rephrasing, this should be<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 "... with 8 bytes tags, consistent with the algorithms=
 that are
      mandatory to implement as per [I-D.ietf-uta-tls13-iot-profile] and
      Section 8 of [RFC9528]."<br>
      <br>
      * "If 16 bytes tag are used, the numbers in the #2 and #3 columns
      increases with 8 and the numbers in the Total column increases
      with 16."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 I think you mean<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "If 16 bytes tag are used, the numbers in the #2 and #3 colu=
mns
      increase of 8 bytes and the numbers in the Total column increase
      of 16 bytes."<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 3.6.2]<br>
      <br>
      * "Signatures increase the size of flight #2 and #3 with (64 - 8 +
      1) bytes while x5t increases the size with 13-14 bytes."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Actually, the increase due to signatures is (64 - 8 + 2) for=

      message_3 with kid. Also, it's worth spelling out that the
      increase due to x5t is in comparison with kid.<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Proposed rephrasing:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "For flight #2 and #3, signatures increase the message size =
of
      57-58 bytes, while x5t increases the size with 13-14 bytes
      compared to kid."<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 4.1]<br>
      <br>
      * "... , and [I-D.ietf-core-oscore-edhoc]."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 Like in other comments above, this should be<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0=C2=A0 "... ,=C2=A0 and Section 8 of [RFC9528]."<br>
      <br>
      * In Figures 5, 6, and 7, the overhead for a Group OSCORE pairwise
      request is 1 byte more than for the corresponding OSCORE request
      (i.e., the OSCORE request using a sequence number of the same
      size, or a Sender ID of the same size).<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 This is correct, when considering a zero-length ID Context. =
In
      that case, the OSCORE Option for the Group OSCORE request has the
      'h' flag bit set to 1, and consistently includes the 1-byte field
      's' with value 0 and the zero-length field 'kid_context'.<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 I think it's better to explicitly write the assumption of ha=
ving
      a zero-length ID Context =3D ''. It would also be consistent with
      the later, more detailed Section 4.7 where that assumption is
      indeed made explicit.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 4.6]<br>
      <br>
      * For each of the three messages, the text says:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "Ciphertext (including encrypted code):"<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Based on Section 5.3 of RFC 8613, this should be<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "Ciphertext (including a 1-byte encrypted code and a 1-byte
      payload marker):"<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 The overhead bytes are still correctly indicated: in these
      messages, the 1-byte payload marker within the ciphertext is the
      actual contributor to the OSCORE overhead, while the 1-byte
      payload marker before the CoAP payload of the protected message is
      not.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Section 4.7]<br>
      <br>
      * "Assuming 1 byte ID Context and Sender ID this adds 2 bytes to
      requests."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 The first part of the sentence contradicts the statement in =
the
      next paragraph, about assuming the zero-length ID Context =3D '' as=

      intended.<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 This sentence should simply be<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "Assuming the zero-length ID Context and 1-byte Sender ID, t=
his
      adds 1 byte to requests."<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 This would also be consistent with the summary in Section 4.=
1,
      where a Group OSCORE request in pairwise mode adds 1 more byte of
      overhead, compared to the corresponding OSCORE request that has
      the same size of Sender ID and Sequence Number.<br>
      <br>
      * The text says:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 OSCORE request (21 bytes, 15 bytes overhead):<br>
      =C2=A0 93 09 05 42<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 It should say:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 OSCORE request (21 bytes, 15 bytes overhead):<br>
      =C2=A0 93 19 05 00 42<br>
      <br>
      * The text says:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Option Value (flag byte, ID Context length, sequence nr, Sen=
der
      ID):<br>
      =C2=A0 19 00 05 42<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 It should say:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Option Value (flag byte, sequence nr, ID Context length, Sen=
der
      ID):<br>
      =C2=A0 19 05 00 42<br>
      <br>
      * The text says:<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "Ciphertext (including encrypted code):"<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 Based on Section 5.3 of RFC 8613, this should be<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 "Ciphertext (including a 1-byte encrypted code and a 1-byte
      payload marker):"<br>
      <br>
      =C2=A0 The overhead bytes are still correctly indicated: in these
      messages, the 1-byte payload marker within the ciphertext is the
      actual contributor to the OSCORE overhead, while the 1-byte
      payload marker before the CoAP payload of the protected message is
      not.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [Nits]<br>
      <br>
      Section 1<br>
      - s/but also high latency, and/but also by high latency and<br>
      - s/multi-hop where the/multi-hop and the<br>
      - s/CoRE (CoAP, OSCORE)/CoRE (CoAP, OSCORE, Group OSCORE)<br>
      - s/LPWAN (SCHC)/LPWAN (SCHC) and SCHC<br>
      - s/TLS (cTLS)/TLS (DTLS, cTLS)<br>
      <br>
      Section 2<br>
      - s/This section give/This section gives<br>
      - s/OSCORE and Group OSCORE is part/OSCORE and Group OSCORE are
      part<br>
      - s/compressed with the Static Context/compressed with Static
      Context<br>
      - s/Use of SCHC can/The use of SCHC can<br>
      - s/and IP supports fragmentation/and IP support fragmentation<br>
      <br>
      Section 3<br>
      - s/The length of key identifiers are 1 byte./The length of key
      identifiers is 1 byte.<br>
      - s/The length of connection identifiers are 1 byte./The length of
      connection identifiers is 1 byte.<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.1<br>
      - s/Figure 2 compares of message sizes/Figure 2 compares the
      message sizes<br>
      - s/The numbers in Figure 2, Figure 2, and Figure 3/The numbers in
      Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.1.1<br>
      - s/the overhead is 185/, the overhead is 185<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.1.1<br>
      - s/the overhead is 454/, the overhead is 454<br>
      - s/ed25519 he overhead is/ed25519, the overhead is<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.1.2<br>
      - s/RPK the overhead is 255/RPK, the overhead is 255<br>
      - s/signature the overhead is 255/signature, the overhead is 255<br=
>
      - s/, the overhead is 255 - 7/, the overhead is 255 - 7<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.4<br>
      - s/can be a RPK/can be an RPK<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.4.1<br>
      - s/X.509 the following/X.509, the following<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.4.2<br>
      - s/X.509 the following/X.509, the following<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.7<br>
      - s/in TLS consists of/in TLS consist of<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.2.6<br>
      - s/the DTLS 1.3 flight sizes changes/, the DTLS 1.3 flight sizes
      change<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.4<br>
      - s/on expected size/of expected sizes<br>
      - s/In TLS 1.2 the number/In TLS 1.2, the number<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.5<br>
      - s/Using secp256r1 instead x25519 add/Using secp256r1 instead of
      x25519 adds<br>
      - s/Using ecdsa_secp256r1_sha256 instead ed25519 add/Using
      ecdsa_secp256r1_sha256 instead of ed25519 adds<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.6<br>
      - s/static Diffie-Hellman are identified/static Diffie-Hellman
      keys are identified<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.7<br>
      - s/overhead of fragmentation/overhead due to fragmentation<br>
      <br>
      Section 3.6.2<br>
      - s/Figure 4: Typical message sizes in bytes/Figure 4: Typical
      EDHOC message sizes in bytes<br>
      <br>
      Section 4<br>
      - s/TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3/TLS 1.2, and TLS 1.3<br>
      <br>
      Section 4.1<br>
      - s/Figure 6, and {fig-overhead3}/Figure 6, and Figure 7<br>
      - s/all numbers increases with 8./all numbers increase of 8.<br>
      <br>
      Section 4.2.1<br>
      - s/The nonce follow the/The nonce follows the<br>
      <br>
      Section 4.2.3<br>
      - s/calculations in this section uses/calculations in this section
      use<br>
      <br>
      Section 4.8<br>
      - s/As can be seen/As it can be seen<br>
      - s/requests with 20%/requests by 20%<br>
      - s/terminated in CoAP proxies/terminated at CoAP proxies<br>
      <br>
      Section 5<br>
      - s/for respective protocol/for the respective protocol<br>
      <br>
      Appendix A<br>
      - s/Assuming a that/Assuming that<br>
      - s/that CoAP Content-Format is/that the Content-Format CoAP
      option is<br>
      - s/the CoAP URI/that the CoAP URI<br>
      - s/URI-Path/Uri-Path=C2=A0 (2 instances)<br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2024-04-17 19:48, Alexey Melnikov
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:71ca11c6-f0e4-4eaa-a208-4562bc59288a@isode.com">Dear
      IOTOPS participants,
      <br>
      <br>
      This message is starting 2 weeks WGLC=C2=A0on
      draft-ietf-iotops-security-protocol-comparison-06 ("Comparison of
      CoAP Security Protocols")=C2=A0that will end=C2=A0on=C2=A0May 2nd 2=
024. If you've
      read the document and think that it is ready (or not ready) for
      publication as an RFC, please send a message in reply to this
      email or directly to IOTOPS chairs (<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbrev=
iated" href=3D"mailto:iotops-chairs@ietf.org">iotops-chairs@ietf.org</a>)=
=2E If
      you have detailed comments, these would also be very helpful at
      this point.
      <br>
      <br>
      As a reminder, we will park this document after WGLC until the
      time when its depencies are stable/complete.
      <br>
      <br>
      Thank you,
      <br>
      Alexey, for IOTOPS chairs
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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Marco Tiloca
Ph.D., Senior Researcher

Phone: +46 (0)70 60 46 501

RISE Research Institutes of Sweden AB
Box 1263
164 29 Kista (Sweden)

Division: Digital Systems
Department: Computer Science
Unit: Cybersecurity

<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.ri.se">https://www=
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