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Hi Paolo,

The use you described is really local to the vendors. They are free to set =
their own conventions about which id to pick. What is key is that we should=
 not expect interoperability between two enterprise-specific IEs having the=
 same id part.

The erratum does not introduce any new restriction on that matters.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Paolo Lucente <paolo@ntt.net>
> Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 27 f=E9vrier 2025 22:43
> =C0=A0: Benoit Claise <benoit.claise=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; RFC
> Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
> Cc=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>;
> bclaise@cisco.com; trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch; paitken@cisco.com;
> ipfix@ietf.org
> Objet=A0: Re: [IPFIX]Re: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC7011 (8313)
> =

> =

> Hi Benoit, Med,
> =

> Looking forward to your thoughts, please let me share some field
> experience from the collector stand point: i have total seen exporters
> using e-bit in conjunction with IANA-allocated fields, they are out
> there (especially in the non-routing business, ie. firewalls, CGNs,
> etc.).
> =

> The meaning for this (i derived myself from field experience) is: the
> exporter is using a IANA-allocated field but "in a special way",
> typically, the purpose is the same but the encoding differs. pmacct,
> the open-source (IPFIX, among the other things) collector i maintain,
> also to tackle these scenarios, does allow users to change the
> semantics / decoder basing (also) on IE/PEN combos.
> =

> This leads me to think this errata will contraddict a practice among
> implementors of some IPFIX exporters. My personal take is that the
> current non-restrictive wording of the RFC is added-value.
> =

> Paolo
> =

> =

> On 25/2/25 14:33, Benoit Claise wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Med is right in his thinking. We could have more precise with the
> > specifications.
> >
> > Whether this errata is Verified or Hold for Document Update, I
> > personally don't believe it's important as IMO this was never an
> issue
> > in collector implementations.
> >
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
> >
> > On 2/25/2025 2:13 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
> >> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7011,
> >> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol
> for
> >> the Exchange of Flow Information".
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> You may review the report below and at:
> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww
> >> .rfc-
> editor.org%2Ferrata%2Feid8313&data=3D05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%4
> >>
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> >>
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> Type: Editorial
> >> Reported by: Mohamed Boucadair <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> >>
> >> Section: 3.2
> >>
> >> Original Text
> >> -------------
> >> =A0=A0=A0 E
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Enterprise bit.=A0 This is the first bit of the Fie=
ld
> Specifier.
> >> If
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 this bit is zero, the Information Element identifier
> >> identifies an
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element in [IANA-IPFIX], and the four-o=
ctet
> >> Enterprise
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Number field MUST NOT be present.=A0 If this bit is=
 one, the
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element identifier identifies an
> >> enterprise-specific
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element, and the Enterprise Number fiel=
d MUST be
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 present.
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0 Information Element identifier
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A numeric value that represents the Information Ele=
ment.
> >> Refer to
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [IANA-IPFIX].
> >>
> >> Corrected Text
> >> --------------
> >> =A0=A0=A0 E
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Enterprise bit.=A0 This is the first bit of the Fie=
ld
> Specifier.
> >> If
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 this bit is zero, the Information Element identifier
> >> identifies an
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element in [IANA-IPFIX], and the four-o=
ctet
> >> Enterprise
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Number field MUST NOT be present.=A0 If this bit is=
 one, the
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element identifier identifies an
> >> enterprise-specific
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Information Element, and the Enterprise Number fiel=
d MUST be
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 present.
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0 Information Element identifier
> >>
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A numeric value that represents the Information Ele=
ment.
> This
> >> field
> >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 takes a value in [IANA-IPFIX] when the E bit is set=
 to zero.
> >>
> >> Notes
> >> -----
> >> Makes it explicit that the values in [IANA-IPFIX] only applies when
> >> the is E-bit is unset.
> >>
> >> An alternative would be to simply delete "Refer to [IANA-IPFIX]."
> as
> >> the exact behavior is already mentioned under the E bit
> description.
> >>
> >> Instructions:
> >> -------------
> >> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". (If it is spam, it
> >> will be removed shortly by the RFC Production Center.) Please use
> >> "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected.
> >> When a decision is reached, the verifying party will log in to
> change
> >> the status and edit the report, if necessary.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> RFC7011 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-rfc5101bis-10)
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> Title=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 : Specification of the=
 IP Flow Information
> Export
> >> (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of Flow Information Publication
> >> Date=A0=A0=A0 : September 2013
> >> Author(s)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 : B. Claise, Ed., B. Trammell,=
 Ed., P. Aitken
> >> Category=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 : INTERNET STANDARD Source=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 : IP
> Flow
> >> Information Export Stream=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 : IET=
F Verifying Party=A0=A0=A0=A0 :
> >> IESG
> >>
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