Re: [IPP] IPP Registration Request for Addition: New keywords for the "media" attribute

[Michael Sweet via ipp <[e-mail]>]

Smith,

I think you missed one (see below).


> On Mar 18, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Waiting for final confirmation from colleagues but I think your final list is good. Thanks for doing the legwork, Mike! I was in the process of buying myself a copy of ISO 1008 (will still do that). So if no other changes, this would be the registration:
> 
> Attributes (attribute syntax)
>   Keyword Attribute Value                                      Reference
>   --------------------------------------------------------     --------------
> media (type2 keyword | name(MAX))                              [RFC8011]
>   na_arch-e1_32x40in                                           [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-s8r_8x12in                                          [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo_s12r_12x15in                                        [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-14x18_14x18in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-16x20_16x20in                                       [HP20210302]

 oe_photo-16r_16x20in                                         [HP20210302]

>   oe_photo-22x28_22x28in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-22r_22x29.5in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-24x30_24x30in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo_24r_24x31in                                         [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo_30r_30x40in                                         [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-30x40_300x400mm                                     [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-30x45_300x450mm                                     [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-35x46_350x460mm                                     [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-40x60_400x600mm                                     [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-50x76_500x760mm                                     [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-60x90_600x900mm                                     [HP20210302]
> media-supported (1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX)))           [RFC8011]
>   < all name values >
> 
> And the reference date would likely be set to the date it was approved - hopefully next Thursday.
> 
> Smith
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 7:25 AM, Michael Sweet <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>> [Whew!]
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> OK, so I've gone through ISO 1008. The sizes there are based on the original inch measurements but are recorded in the standard as rounded millimeters, so 10x12 becomes 254x305mm vs. 254x304.8mm that an unrounded conversion would be. Tolerances are +/-1 or 2 millimeters depending on the total length. Given that the sizes were originally defined (and well known in) inches and the existing registered size names use the "oe" prefix and sizes in inches, I am inclined to use inches for the one ISO 1008 size (16R) that we've missed over the last 8 years since MSN2 was published rather than introduce a single ISO photo size name.
>> 
>> Here is a quick ASCII table of the standard numbered [0], ISO 1008, and ISO 1008-derived sizes. I've included a notes column showing that we're previously registered other names for most of these sizes:
>> 
>> Photo
>> Name Inches Millimeters Source Notes
>> ------ -------- ----------- ------------- --------------
>> 3R 3.5x5 89x127 ISO 1008 oe_photo-l_3x5x5in [1], "L" in Japan
>> 4R 4x6 102x152 Other na_index-4x6_4x6in [1]
>> A6 105x148 ISO 216+1008 iso_a6_105x148mm [1]
>> 5R 5x7 127x178 ISO 1008 na_index-5x7_5x7in [1] "2L" in Japan
>> 6R 6x8 152x203 Other na_index-4x6-ext_6x8in [1], "8P" in Japan
>> 8R 8x10 203x254 ISO 1008 na_govt-letter_8x10in [1], "6P" in Japan
>> S8R 8x12 203x305 Other "6PW" in Japan
>> 210x296 ISO 216+1008 iso_a4_210x197mm [1]
>> 8.5x11 216x279 ISO 1008 na_letter_8.5x11in [1]
>> 9.5x12 240x305 ISO 1008 na_letter-extra_9.5x12in [1]
>> 10R 10x12 254x305 ISO 1008 oe_photo-10r_10x12in [2]
>> S10R 10x15 254x381 Other oe_photo-s10r_10x15in [2]
>> 11R 11x14 279x356 ISO 1008 na_edp_11x14in [1]
>> S11R 11x17 279x432 ANSI na_ledger_12x17in [1]
>> S12R 12x15 305x381 Other
>> 12x16 305x406 ISO 1008 oe_12x16_12x16in [2]
>> S12R 12x18 305x457 Other na_arch-b_12x18in [1]
>> 14R 14x17 356x431 Other oe_14x17_14x17in [2]
>> 14x18 356x457 Other
>> 16R 16x20 406x508 ISO 1008 Approx. 40x50cm
>> 20R 20x24 508x610 ISO 1008 oe_photo-20r_20x24in [2], Approx. 50x60cm
>> 22R 22x29.5 508x749 Other
>> 24R 24x31 609x800 Other
>> 30R 30x40 762x1016 Other May be confused with 30x40cm
>> 
>> [0]: https://mainthebest.com/sizes/photo-print-sizes-r-series-sizes/
>> [1]: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-pwgmsn20-20130328-5101.1.pdf
>> [2]: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/registrations/ippwg-media-size-20160229.txt
>> 
>> 
>> ....
>> 
>> So, there are three sizes that HP has proposed that we have already registered (10x12, 10x15, 20x24) and a few standard photo sizes that were not included in HP's registration request. This, combined with Christoph's observations about metric sizes yields the following updated registration:
>> 
>> Attributes (attribute syntax)
>> Keyword Attribute Value Reference
>> -------------------------------------------------------- --------------
>> media (type2 keyword | name(MAX)) [RFC8011]
>> na_arch-e1_32x40in [HP20210302]
>> oe_photo-s8r_8x12in [HP20210302] (added)
>> oe_photo_s12r_12x15in [HP20210302] (added)
>> oe_photo-14x18_14x18in [HP20210302]
>> oe_photo-16r_16x20in [HP20210302]
>> oe_photo-22x28_22x28in [HP20210302]
>> oe_photo-22r_22x29.5in [HP20210302] (added)
>> oe_photo-24x30_24x30in [HP20210302]
>> oe_photo_24r_24x31in [HP20210302] (added)
>> oe_photo_30r_30x40in [HP20210302] (added)
>> om_photo-30x40_300x400mm [HP20210302]
>> om_photo-30x45_300x450mm [HP20210302]
>> om_photo-35x46_350x460mm [HP20210302]
>> om_photo-40x60_400x600mm [HP20210302]
>> om_photo-50x76_500x760mm [HP20210302]
>> om_photo-60x90_600x900mm [HP20210302]
>> 
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mar 11, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > Coming back to the registrations, for now HP Inc. would like to register these, with names structured as per your request:
>> >
>> > Attributes (attribute syntax)
>> > Keyword Attribute Value Reference
>> > -------------------------------------------------------- --------------
>> > media (type2 keyword | name(MAX)) [RFC8011]
>> > na_arch-e1_32x40in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-10x12_10x12in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-10x15_10x15in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-14x18_14x18in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-16x20_16x20in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-20x24_20x24in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-22x28_22x28in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_photo-24x30_24x30in [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-300x400_300x400mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-300x450_300x450mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-350x460_350x460mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-400x600_400x600mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-500x760_500x760mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo-600x900_600x900mm [HP20210302]
>> > media-supported (1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX))) [RFC8011]
>> > < all name values > [RFC8011]
>> >
>> > We can perhaps discuss at today's IPP WG meeting if these are acceptable for registration.
>> >
>> > Smith
>> >
>> > /**
>> > Smith Kennedy
>> > HP Inc.
>> > */
>> >
>> >> On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Michael Sweet <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Smith,
>> >>
>> >> At first blush I see some duplicated sizes from the registry:
>> >>
>> >> na_arch-c_18x24in
>> >> na_arch-d_24x36in
>> >>
>> >> and the MSN2 spec doesn't allow those...
>> >>
>> >> Also, while I appreciate keeping the na_WIDTHxHEIGHT_WIDTHxHEIGHTin form for those dimensional sizes, if they are primarily for photo/art printing I'd like to see a 'photo' prefix in the name portion, e.g.:
>> >>
>> >> oe_photo-16x20_16x20in
>> >>
>> >> Similarly, the om_photo sizes should include the dimensions if there is no corresponding well-known name:
>> >>
>> >> om_photo-300x400_300x400mm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Greetings,
>> >> >
>> >> > HP Inc. is requesting the registration of additional keywords for the “media” attribute [STD92] for some standard sizes that aren’t yet registered. Here is the registration template and the keywords to be added:
>> >> >
>> >> > Attributes (attribute syntax)
>> >> > Keyword Attribute Value Reference
>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------- --------------
>> >> > media (type2 keyword | name(MAX)) [RFC8011]
>> >> > na_arch-e1_32x40in [HP20210302]
>> >> > na_super-c_18x24in [HP20210302]
>> >> > na_super-d_24x36in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_10x12_10x12in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_10x15_10x15in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_14x18_14x18in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_16x20_16x20in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_20x24_20x24in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_22x28_22x28in [HP20210302]
>> >> > oe_24x30_24x30in [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_300x400mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_300x450mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_350x460mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_400x600mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_500x760mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > om_photo_600x900mm [HP20210302]
>> >> > media-supported (1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX))) [RFC8011]
>> >> > < all name values > [RFC8011]
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me know if there are any issues.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Smith
>> >> >
>> >> > /**
>> >> > Smith Kennedy
>> >> > HP Inc.
>> >> > */
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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