[Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Meeting Summary, January 6th, 2021

Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> Wed, 06 January 2021 07:41 UTC

Return-Path: <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6445D3A095E for <ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Jan 2021 23:41:07 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 958Gy759Uxfm for <ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Jan 2021 23:41:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8DBC3A0F3A for <ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Jan 2021 23:41:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id m5so1510844wrx.9 for <ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2021 23:41:05 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CfGPR7vWnKu914ReR1WtyKwCEBcY/mBIr+d17vsIqgM=; b=ACDKkNJnj0h59C7E5trHrRVxzm4xqGPy+aT4/vxJOzWxy+f+la7v5hNox4zylBOMaZ iH1ZJ9UJMX0tVG7h9zRuPrZgfvpZr8MAfgkI96NUQQVhUouoGoWfH+8KbiPbaoDxHsjr OWx2qS3pg7gZgIzhIEJK7ZynClE+e7WBbaAqaj7kSlbrCxgE47+KvKkqZ0Ajmpvy1KNi Mtxs0nKHojKZSOO3RinjZM+nK326JQ+16g+eo+1FjqJlppKbDfOoHx5AVFJ4KMbqpd4w rqsVNQ+WrOWvm/XB0DavpTJwVjq58ytWEv4FANksYLIMgDSPzW8FREXxs3gCFEcMfGR/ c/5w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CfGPR7vWnKu914ReR1WtyKwCEBcY/mBIr+d17vsIqgM=; b=LeuX8TBdhOWcT83FBnrttBRbxcWY3GHA+rryB+Yb1B9ome0X1NmF1rM2P9mDCvFKWd +ud1nu2wdTwETYuiFnZYYRc/M2eWPd2Zl+8AFZ8GC6qY7XFpoycLqDahkeUQcwqaS8pW NLvUpeA/lolGfMwAl4qHSurivvsPAvwNDqyhNp6GgYe91FpUMAMxFgmSwGcYHEFO5NzS c0dlTLnOXkjmU7cuvWuOUF9PrjzsabO6Mdu2wEQhSl6zsrJ1pTMxcjQlxrH8RggeFa4G 4pzBdgyGdXq2CohZ6QVpmg60qwVBbekWQKrDT1gISn1+Q+fBVcr7QSZ4Q0oY+Kl84oZC 1fiw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5318rp6JyJN8qxIghRTFmpyhRkhYAbPYlwrW6kcGC+v6prsGrvDQ fDpiAhM/Y4WXmzq9/3uKdpivCpb8vnkSQm8TPUfP3T7fzK2eBQ==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvqSaMt8CMak/O0XLeInCuhwgstXcVDYKc/O+WWoL2N1enCAFH/oN8xhT0wFEDx8IAHaRbBOUa74BkhEb0RKE=
X-Received: by 2002:adf:e44d:: with SMTP id t13mr2998769wrm.144.1609918863953; Tue, 05 Jan 2021 23:41:03 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:40:53 +0200
Message-ID: <CABUE3XkxoTrbZwxxUXNpsWS+G=CU2TXa6A_nxyGbCJrnUgp+KQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ippm-ioam-ix-dt/VBVQ13-HLRLe8pDtx1tW9q09ifk>
Subject: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Meeting Summary, January 6th, 2021
X-BeenThere: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPPM iOAM Immediate Export \(IX\) design team" <ippm-ioam-ix-dt.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ippm-ioam-ix-dt>, <mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm-ioam-ix-dt/>
List-Post: <mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm-ioam-ix-dt>, <mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 07:41:07 -0000

IPPM IOAM Design Team
Virtual meeting
January 6th, 2021, 07:00 UTC
Webex meeting


Attendees:
Frank Brockners, Greg Mirsky, Haoyu Song, Tal Mizrahi.

Minutes by Tal Mizrahi.

Summary
=======
- Tal will work on a first draft of an IOAM integrity protection draft.
- Frank will look into the issue raised on the mailing list about the
IOAM Option Type field length and will respond on the mailing list.
- The next meeting will be on January 20th at 07:00 UTC.

Data Draft Discussion
=====================
Tal: we have had some comments from Shawn Emery on the mailing list
about the security considerations. A reference to the deployment draft
should cover the comments.
Frank: we will also need to add some more content to the deployment
draft to address Shawn's point.
Tal: from the data draft perspective we mainly need to add a reference.
Frank: right.
Tal: another issue is the integrity protection discussion we have had
in the past. The feedback from Martin Duke was that we will need to
start a 00 draft about integrity protection. I will start working on
this draft, starting from the threat model and requirements.
Frank: specifically integrity protection?
Tal: yes.
Greg: what is the relationship between the new draft and the data draft?
Tal: the data draft is going to have a reference to the new security draft.
Greg: normative or informative?
Tal: informative, since otherwise we will need to delay the data draft
until the new security draft is done and then publish them together.
Greg: the security solution needs to be a part of the data solution.
It needs to be normative.
Frank: the new draft is just a requirement document, so I do not see a
point for it to require a normative reference.
Greg: there has to be a solution that is an integral part of the trace
option solution.
Tal: no need to decide right now. We all agree that the first step is
a new integrity protection draft. Let's discuss the next step once we
reach that point.
Greg: I agree.
Tal: there are also the GEN ART review comments from Dan. Nothing major.
Frank: there was also a question on the mailing list from Xiao Min
regarding the IOAM Option Type field length.
(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ippm/0rwnqtOEF5ywtnp4fxCz9fcU7m0/)
Greg: it seems there is an inconsistency here: 8 bits but only 128
code points. It may be pretty simple. Although we may want to reserve
some values to experimentation.
Frank: I want to dig into the historic reason of why only the first
128 code points have been defined in the IANA registry.