Re: [ippm] Adoption call for Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques

Ike Kunze <Ike.Kunze@comsys.rwth-aachen.de> Fri, 15 October 2021 07:57 UTC

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From: Ike Kunze <Ike.Kunze@comsys.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques
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Hi all,

I also support adoption.
For our recent ANRW paper [1], we have first implemented the proposed loss measurement techniques based on the descriptions in the draft and then evaluated their performance.
While the descriptions of the approaches could be a bit more precise, their performance looks promising and I think they offer a helpful means for network telemetry in times of QUIC.

Best,
Ike

[1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3472305.3472319

On 8. Oct 2021, at 17:59, Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:

Hello IPPM,

This email starts an adoption call for draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements, "Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques”. This document is proposed as an Informational document that describes techniques that go beyond single bit markings like the QUIC spin bit.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements-02

This adoption call will last until Friday, October 22. Please review the document, and reply to this email thread to indicate if you think IPPM should adopt this document.

Best,
Tommy
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