Re: [ippm] Adoption call for Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques

Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com> Thu, 14 October 2021 16:57 UTC

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From: Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com>
To: Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" <ippm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques
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IPPM WG and chairs,

The proposed method is interesting and useful. I support the WG adoption.
I have a question to the authors. The draft says that the method is valuable for encrypted transport headers but later it suggested to encapsulate the bits in QUIC and TCP header. How does that work if the transport header is encrypted?

Best regards,
Haoyu
From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
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Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques

Hello IPPM,

This email starts an adoption call for draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements, "Explicit Flow Measurements Techniques". This document is proposed as an Informational document that describes techniques that go beyond single bit markings like the QUIC spin bit.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements%2F&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7C0bb1ccaae82a449e5c8308d98a749f47%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637693055772340329%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o%2FcX355kvvyuGlhYGsYrsEPfQimXoPMFoxYFptqmxsE%3D&reserved=0>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements-02<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements-02&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7C0bb1ccaae82a449e5c8308d98a749f47%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637693055772350280%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=RcUvJsuRDvZ38Ec1Ss2X10CzTDHX5rCC748iZmcLJyU%3D&reserved=0>

This adoption call will last until Friday, October 22. Please review the document, and reply to this email thread to indicate if you think IPPM should adopt this document.

Best,
Tommy