Re: [ippm] WG adoption call for RFC8321bis and 8889bis

t petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> Fri, 08 April 2022 09:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ippm] WG adoption call for RFC8321bis and 8889bis
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On 08/04/2022 09:42, t petch wrote:
> On 08/04/2022 01:03, Tommy Pauly wrote:
>> Hello IPPM,
>>
>> This email starts an adoption call for draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis and
>> draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis. Please see Martin’s emails below for
>> details — the main idea here is that we’re moving two IPPM RFCs from
>> Experimental to Proposed Standard.
>>
>> The chairs would like to have a short amount of time spent in the WG
>> processing these documents. If we adopt, we’d plan to very shortly
>> thereafter do a working group last call.
>>
>> Please reply to this email by Thursday, April 21 and indicate if you
>> support adopting this document.
>
> 'this document'
> Which document?
>
> Please post subsequent e-mails about one I-D only with the subject line
> indicating which, else I will get confused (and may well confuse others
> with my comments).

I note that 'this document' fails to give any explanation of why it 
exists (beyond the boiler-plate that tells me it is obsoleting)?

Why?  I may know the answer but think it wrong to assume that others will.

This should be in the Introduction and there should also be a 'Changes 
from ...'

Tom Petch

>
> Tom Petch
>
>> Best,
>> Tommy & Marcus
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello IPPM,
>>>
>>> You may recall that there was a need to progress RFC8321 and RFC8889
>>> from Experimental to Proposed Standard. There was a feeling that the
>>> update would be trivial and we could therefore do it as an AD
>>> sponsored document.
>>>
>>> I've done 3 rounds of AD review and I've seen the need to
>>> substantially adjust the scope of these documents and tweak the
>>> design in places. The changes are not revolutionary, but I'm a
>>> non-practitioner and have driven some design changes with minimal
>>> review. At this point I think it's important to get good IPPM review;
>>> if we're going to do that anyway, we might as well do the (expedited)
>>> working group process so that there's no confusion as to why IPPM
>>> didn't formally review an update to its own documents.
>>>
>>> So, as first step, I invite the working group to adopt these two drafts:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis/
>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis/>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis/
>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis/>
>>> Any objections to adoption, as always, should be to the value of
>>> doing the work at all, and the general direction of the drafts. I
>>> hope to follow up the adoption call with an immediate WGLC to shake
>>> out any detailed objections, though we will take as long as we need
>>> to address concerns that people have.
>>>
>>> I invite you to consult the changelogs on both of these documents,
>>> which are not long, to get a sense of what we've done.
>>>
>>> For those of you who like diffs, there was a big reorganization
>>> between draft-02 and -03 that is hard to follow in a diff. So here is
>>> a set of diffs that exclude the -02 to -03 transition:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc8321.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-02.txt
>>> <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc8321.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-02.txt>
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-03.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-04.txt
>>> <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-03.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8321bis-04.txt>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc8889.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-02.txt
>>> <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc8889.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-02.txt>
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-03.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-04.txt
>>> <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-03.txt&url2=draft-fioccola-rfc8889bis-04.txt>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe it's up to the chairs to start the adoption call. If people
>>> are good about reading the document during WGLC, I would like to
>>> think we could be done before IETF 114.
>>>
>>> Your friendly Area Director,
>>> Martin
>>>
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