Re: [ippm] Adoption call for IOAM deployment and integrity documents

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From: "Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>
To: Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" <ippm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption call for IOAM deployment and integrity documents
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This is excellent work and I support it's adoption.

IOAM will provide operators critical management information that is badly lacking today.  This is a reason many enterprises delay IPv6 deployment and IOAM will be very beneficial in this regard and others as well.

Providing integrity will also remove another set of deployment related concerns.

Other key concerns are in the areas of operational adding complexity and resulting overhead or potential performance issues.    These areas seem to be addressed in the draft as well, but I have a related question/concern.
 As an enterprise operator, deploying anything new is always a challenge.  And if other new solutions for integrity of EHs choose different solutions, then this challenge becomes magnified.  Then potentially add confidentiality , authentication, etc. and the situation could quickly become a morass of solutions.    So my question is  if there is any chance of considering a more holistic approach to related or similar solutions?

Once again, please keep up the great work!

Thanks

Mike

From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:29 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Adoption call for IOAM deployment and integrity documents

[External email]
Hello IPPM,

As discussed in our meeting last week, we will be starting an adoption call for two IOAM-related documents that have been raised as important dependencies during the IESG review of IOAM-data.

This email begins a Working Group adoption call for two documents:

Integrity of In-situ OAM Data Fields
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brockners-ippm-ioam-data-integrity/
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-brockners-ippm-ioam-data-integrity-03.html

In-situ OAM Deployment
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-03

This call will last until Wednesday, August 18. Please reply to this email with your comments, and if you think these documents should be taken on by IPPM.

Best,
Tommy & Ian


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