Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19
"MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com> Wed, 11 September 2019 20:42 UTC
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From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com>
To: Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
CC: "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org>, IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>, Michelle Cotton <michelle.cotton@iana.org>
Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19
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Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19
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Hi Mirja - I Think I know what's happening. If a get an email from my boss, Maria, while I'm typing, it's namespace re-ordering. -20 of the Registry memo is posted. See below, Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:25 AM > To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG > <ippm@ietf.org>; Michelle Cotton <michelle.cotton@iana.org> > Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19 > > Hi Al, > > Okay to all! About the experts. How should we figure out other experts? Do > have people in mind? Should I approach them, do you want too speak to them > directly? [acm] I think that the starting place is an open call on the IPPM list, in combination with a little cajoling. > > Mirja > > > > > On 8. Sep 2019, at 00:09, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi Mirja, > > Catching-up with your comments on the registry draft. > > Please see replies below, and thanks again for your review. > > Al > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:44 AM > >> To: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org > >> Cc: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>; Michelle Cotton > >> <michelle.cotton@iana.org> > >> Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19 > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I just reviewed draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-19. Thanks for the > well- > >> written document! I have one process question on the following part > before > >> we can move ahead: > >> > >> Sec 8.1: > >> "Submission to IANA MAY be the result of IETF Standards Action, where > >> an approved Internet Draft proposes one or more Registered > >> Performance Metrics to be added to the Performance Metrics Registry, > >> including the text of the proposed Registered Performance Metric(s).” > >> > >> Maybe I’m confused but I would think that as soon as a document is > >> approved by the IESG, it’s too late for an Expert review because an > >> approved RFC that contains instruction for IANA will usually be > >> implemented by IANA as approved. I believe what we usually do is to > >> request the new entry before IESG evaluation and simply document in the > >> RFC that an registration was performed, or in case of e.g. the port > >> registry (where however the policy is IETF Review for system ports) we > ask > >> the experts for review during the IESG evaluation process and take this > as > >> input for the IESG to make a decision on approval (rather than as input > >> for IANA). I’m cc’ing Michelle, as I understood that she was already > >> involved in reviewing this document, and she might have further > >> insights/considerations. > > [acm] > > I agree, here's what I changed the working text to read: > > > > Submission to IANA MAY be during IESG review (leading to IETF > > Standards Action), where an Internet Draft proposes one or ... > > > >> > >> Also on experts: Did the group/chairs/authors already consider possible > >> candidates? If not, is anybody of the author team willing to serve? I > >> assume having 2 experts should be sufficient, right? > > [acm] > > Yes, I assume I'll act as one of the experts, and we'll need a few more > > who can share the load, especially if a quick response is required. > > > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Mirja > >> > >> P.S.: Two nits: > >> - sec 7.3.2: "The packet generation stream may require parameters such > as > >> the the average packet rate …” -> two “the” > >> - sec 8.2: "why the existing entry shuold be revised” -> > s/shuold/should/ > > [acm] > > thanks, fixed. > > > > Other Questions arose: > > > > Sorry one more thing on references: There are two normative reference to > obsoleted RFC (RFC2141 and RFC4148). I think it would be more appropriate > to make these references informational instead. Also there is a new > Downref to RFC6248, however, I think that could also be an informational > reference instead. > > > > [acm] > > I agree, I moved 4148 and 6248 to Info, can't find 2141 in the working > text, > > assume I deleted it with unused references. > > > > @Bill: as the document shepherd it would be could to point out these > things in the shepherd write-up. If the authors/group decides to move > these references to informational, there is no additional action require > from you. However, if not, the write-up should be updated accordingly. > > > > Thanks! > > Mirja > > > > > > Here are your questions for the registry > > that came-up during review of initial contents draft: > > > >> > >> And finally one/two/three more general question(s) at the end, that I > >> probably should also have asked already on my review for draft-ietf- > ippm- > >> metric-registry: > >> > >> Is it actually intended that basically all the text in this RFC gets > >> copied into the registry? > > [acm] > > Sort of. All the text for each metric (section) is a file that the > registry > > entry points to. Registry draft section 10.3 says: > > > > The "URIs" column will have a URL to the full template of each registry > entry. The Registry Entry text SHALL be HTML-ized to aid the reader, with > links to reference RFCs (similar to the way that Internet Drafts are HTML- > ized, the same tool can perform the function). > > > >> And what is expected to be on the URL page then? > > [acm] > > The URL points to a page = one section of the -ippm-initial-registry > draft. > > Future URLs might point to text from a section of an RFC for a new > metric. > > > >> Wouldn’t it be necessary to also define a format for that page in order > to > >> be of any use? > > [acm] > > It's the "full template", filled-out for each registered metric. > > > > It really helps to have the mock-up we worked-out with IANA > > available to see the "running code". I'll send you the mock-up > > in separate mail. We looked at this in several IPPM sessions > > over the years, and on this one the header is fairly up to date, > > but the URLs point to "old" sections of the initial contents draft. > > Also, the column widths are not ideal in the mock-up. > > > > It might help to have a live URL to the mocked-up registry > > that we can share with others (when this question comes up again, > > and it will during IESG review, I assure you!). > > > > Al
- [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-regist… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-re… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-re… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
- Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-re… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-re… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)