Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

Hi Henrik,

This draft follows the same pattern as RFC7130, where BFD is also a protocol over UDP, and applied to LAG.
I am not sure if I can agree with you that TWAMP is layer-3, nor an odd choice for LAG.
For the Y.1731, would you like to shed light how it could apply? So that we can compare.

Thanks,
Tianran

From: Henrik Nydell [mailto:hnydell@accedian.com]
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Subject: Re: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

Yes, that is understood, which is why I think TWAMP (being layer-3) is an odd choice for this. A layer-2 test like Y.1731 would be more suitable to monitor performance of individual LAG links.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 10:28 AM lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com<mailto:lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com> <lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com<mailto:lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com>> wrote:
Hello Henrik and all,

We considered the situation you mentioned. Becase it is difficult to traverse all the possible link combinations, i.e. the number of possible substreams is huge, we try to address LAG that directly connects two devices first.

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From: Henrik Nydell<mailto:hnydell@accedian.com>
Date: 2022-01-28 19:56
To: Tianran Zhou<mailto:zhoutianran=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: Giuseppe Fioccola<mailto:giuseppe.fioccola=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; IETF IPPM WG \(ippm@ietf.org\)<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
I still think it would be much better to generalize this micro TWAMP concept and not tie this to LAG, since that will be implementation specific - only if you implement TWAMP directly on a LAG-device this draft would apply.
Better then to generalize the concept and call the added identifier "Substream ID" or something similar. Then this draft would also apply to for example a vendor that implements routing over different paths or as Tianran pointed out, MPLS-SR uses. Thus I would propose removing all references to LAG in this draft and widen the scope to any situation where there would be uses for labelled (ID:ed) substreams between the same TWAMP-sender and session-reflector.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:15 PM Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi Giuseppe,

Thanks very much for your review.
I will incorporate your suggestions in the next revision.

Cheers,
Tianran

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Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

Hi Tianran, All,
I think that this is a useful work.
For LAG, the use of active methods (OWAMP, TWAMP, STAMP) can also complement passive and hybrid methods. Indeed, the extensions proposed in this draft allow to monitor all the links and not only the link crossed by the observed packet stream.
Maybe, you can also highlight this point in the introduction section.

Minor nits:
s/Reflector Member Link ID fields/Reflector Member Link ID field/

s/When sending a response to the received Test packet, the micro TWAMP Session-Sender/ When sending a response to the received Test packet, the micro TWAMP Session- Reflector/

Regards,

Giuseppe

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Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

Hi WG,

We think this is an useful work on adapting OWAMP/TWAMP in LAG performance measurement.
We updated this draft based on the comments from the meeting discussion and mailing list.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
More reviews and comments are welcome.

Cheers,
Tianran

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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

A new version of I-D, draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tianran Zhou and posted to the IETF repository.

Name:           draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag
Revision:       02
Title:          One-way/Two-way Active Measurement Protocol Extensions for Performance Measurement on LAG
Document date:  2022-01-24
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          13
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02

Abstract:
   This document defines extensions to One-way Active Measurement
   Protocol (OWAMP), and Two-way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) to
   implement performance measurement on every member link of a Link
   Aggregation Group (LAG).  Knowing the measured metrics of each member
   link of a LAG enables operators to enforce the performance based
   traffic steering policy across the member links.

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