Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt

Hi Al., 

Unfortunately I am not there… but still this subject is very interesting for me. I see that the measurements methods are based on link saturation, is still some room to add another possibility without saturation? 

Many thanks an get a good time in Montreal!

	Ignacio

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> On 24 Jul 2019, at 11:37, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mike and others who have indicated interest!
> 
> We'll meet on Thursday 1200 Lunch, 
> at the Foyer in front of IETF Registration.
> 
> We grab something quick to eat,
> and sit down to look at the background as necessary,
> the draft, and a short Liaison reply to the "Harmonization" thread.
> 
> All are welcome, just show-up.
> Al
> 
> PS: If you can't make this time, please contact me
> to schedule an alternative opportunity.
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ackermann, Michael
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:25 PM
>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; ippm@ietf.org
>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>> 
>> Thank you Al
>> 
>> I did read this draft and thought it was extremely well done and very
>> informative.
>> 
>> Please let me know if/when any related side meetings are set up and I will
>> make every effort to attend!
>> 
>> Thanks again
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:39 AM
>> To: ippm@ietf.org
>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
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>> IPPM folks,
>> 
>> I'm willing to set-up one or more side meetings to discuss this new draft
>> and supporting material, including the most recent testing and results
>> from the Hackathon@105 [0].
>> 
>> Let me know if you can squeeze a few minutes for this in your busy week!
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Al
>> 
>> [0] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_IETF-
>> 2DHackathon_ietf105-2Dproject-2Dpresentations_blob_master_105-2Dacm-
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>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED
>>> C
>>> (AL)
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:26 PM
>>> To: ippm@ietf.org
>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>>> Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> IPPM,
>>> 
>>> This new draft is a proposal for a metric and methods of measurement
>>> for Maximum IP-layer Capacity, one of the many possible metrics to
>>> characterize IP-layer performance.
>>> 
>>> We have a lightning 5-minutes on the IPPM agenda to discuss this new
>>> draft, so the authors are providing this additional background and
>>> welcome any comments on-list or side meetings we can arrange in
>>> Montreal to discuss.
>>> 
>>> Notes and Background:
>>> 
>>> This work will be a topic at a "measurements" table at the
>>> Hackathon@105, and possibly presented later in the week at MAPRG if
>>> time/other topics permit.
>>> 
>>> Liaisons received by IPPM provide additional info on testing (with
>>> attachments containing test results in most cases):
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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>>> 
>>> Technical Committee ETSI STQ has approved ETSI TS 103 222-2 "Part 2:
>>> Reference benchmarking and KPIs for High speed internet", containing
>>> the new material presently covered in clause 4.5, titled “IP/UDP
>>> Capacity“. The new clause contains a definition of Maximum IP Capacity
>>> that is equivalent to the definition proposed in the new draft. The TS
>>> text will be published shortly.
>>> 
>>> At ITU-T Study Group 12, Recommendation Y.1540, on "IP packet transfer
>>> and availability performance parameters"
>>> (also containing an equivalent definition with requirements for
>>> methods of measurement) is proceeding through the (longer) approval
>> process.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for considering this new proposal; it is one of the topics that
>>> IPPM was chartered over 20 years ago to complete.
>>> 
>>> Al, Rüdiger, and Len
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 12:43 PM
>>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>;
>>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric- method-00.txt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Al Morton and posted to the IETF
>>> repository.
>>> 
>>> Name:         draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method
>>> Revision:     00
>>> Title:                Metrics and Methods for IP Capacity
>>> Document date:        2019-07-08
>>> Group:                Individual Submission
>>> Pages:                13
>>> URL:
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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>>> Abstract:
>>>   This memo revisits the problem of Network Capacity metrics first
>>>   examined in RFC 5136.  The memo specifies a more practical Maximum
>>>   IP-layer Capacity metric definition catering for measurement
>>>   purposes, and outlines the corresponding methods of measurement.
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