Re: [ippm] [EXT] Re: Explicit Flow Measurements implementations

Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com> Tue, 23 March 2021 13:32 UTC

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From: Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:31:44 -0400
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Great, thanks!

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 7:31 AM Nilo Massimo <massimo.nilo=
40telecomitalia.it@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> thank you for your reply.
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> As for our TIM activities, we will collect the material and in the next
> days we plan to share it via email in the IPPM WG.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Massimo
>
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>
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> *From:* Ian Swett <ianswett=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> *Sent:* lunedì 22 marzo 2021 23:24
> *To:* Nilo Massimo <massimo.nilo@telecomitalia.it>
> *Cc:* IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>rg>; quic@ietf.org; Dmitri
> Tikhonov <dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com>om>; Lubashev, Igor <
> ilubashe@akamai.com>gt;; alexandre.ferrieux@orange.com; Isabelle Hamchaoui <
> isabelle.hamchaoui@orange.com>gt;; explicit-meas@ietf.org; Mirja Kuehlewind <
> mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>gt;; emile.stephan@orange.com; Marcus Ihlar <
> marcus.ihlar@ericsson.com>
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: Explicit Flow Measurements implementations
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary.
>
>
>
> Is there a plan to share(via email or presentation) what's been learned
> from those experiments with the IETF?  If they've been shared in the past
> and I forgot, please just add relevant links to this thread so they're easy
> for people to find.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Ian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:57 AM Nilo Massimo <massimo.nilo=
> 40telecomitalia.it@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All.
>
>
>
> After the "Explicit Flow Measurements" draft presentation (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mdt-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements-01)
> in the IPPM WG on March 12th, it was asked by Ian Sweet and Martin Duke if
> there are any implementations of the EFM methodology on servers and clients.
>
>
>
> Here is a list of some implementations made by the authors of the draft.
>
>
>
> TIM/Telecom Italia has realized an implementation for delay measurement
> with:
>
> - a client and a passive observer on mobile user devices, built in Android
> using Quic-Go (with gomobile binding) and spindump library.
>
>   The observer executes delay measurements, both with Spin bit and Delay
> bit marking methods.
>
>   The client app exchange QUIC traffic marked for Spin bit/Delay bit
> versus a server.
>
>
>
> - a server built by mean of Quic-Go, generates marked traffic and supports
> delay measurements with Spin bit and Delay bit methods.
>
>
>
>   (Draft
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-cnbf-ippm-user-devices-explicit-monitoring-01
> )
>
>   This implementation have been tested on TIM production network, both
> with mobile and fixed access.
>
>
>
> - Other implementations for loss algorithms (QR and T) have been tested in
> our lab with good results and we are planning to move them in production
> network for some services under our control.
>
>
>
> Akamai and Orange have built a monitoring system with QL marking,
> specifically for loss measurements.
>
> Their implementation has already been used in CDN servers to make EFM.
>
> Litespeed Tech also implemented QL marking in their lsquic library.
>
>
>
> Moreover, Ericsson is carrying out several monitoring initiatives using
> the SpinBit for delay EFM.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Massimo and Fabio
>
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