Re: [ippm] [IPv6] IOAM, iOAM, and oOAM abbreviations

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Wed, 13 December 2023 22:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ippm] [IPv6] IOAM, iOAM, and oOAM abbreviations
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Greg,

With my 6MAN hat on very loosely, I don’t think this discussion needs to be on the IPV6 list.

Bob


> On Dec 12, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> Loa and I have discussed these abbreviations to help us find a solution that avoids the confusion we found when we came across them. Firstly, what they stand for:
> IOAM - In-situ OAM (RFC 9197 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9197/>)
> iOAM - in-band OAM (RAW architecture <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-raw-architecture-13>)
> oOAM - out-of-band OAM (RAW architecture <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-raw-architecture-13>)
> We discussed the issue with Pascal and came to slightly different abbreviations for the last two:
> inb-OAM
> oob-OAM
> We also discord these abbreviations with the RFC Editor. Resulting from that, RFC Editor agreed to add IOAM to the RFC Editor Abbreviation List <https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt>. The other two abbreviations cannot be added at this time. If that is needed, we can ask the RFC Editor to add them once the respective RFC is published.
> We are seeking your feedback on the following:
> Do you see the benefit of introducing two new abbreviations for in-band OAM and out-of-band OAM?
> Which set of abbreviations (iOAM/oOAM vs. inb-OAM/oob-OAM) do you prefer for being used in IETF?
> Or would you propose another set of abbreviations?
> Regards,
> Loa and Greg
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