IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts

Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de Tue, 23 April 2024 14:04 UTC

Return-Path: <Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de>
X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA73C14F685 for <ippm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 07:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -9.141
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-2.049, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=telekom.de
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bW9vSoDL4pAo for <ippm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mailout41.telekom.de (mailout41.telekom.de [194.25.225.151]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13C5CC14F6B4 for <ippm@ietf.org>; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 07:04:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telekom.de; i=@telekom.de; q=dns/txt; s=dtag1; t=1713881060; x=1745417060; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=cYL/stMP7gVE6NHy1pMSFg6509mWk+d9NbInkUIOCW8=; b=TsBjE+liPK9RAqhGHbFC/uhz1wn5iShMQsWDkjmrI+bnI1y6RDO3IoVy Z/N5qj+nkEPCdeZ1H+bWLYIQGPgsfpjn55gk7Yy9N0WRojGvXEDdWLgEW jmK9EbD52SG0z99IFtGp4vblv2IBaYZ7GN6OJf5TY8q7RK7BAe6QVyMaY tNTu4TVd13yonweGy4IzdUIc6ahqtHQEcGf7ch/BbqrH6X3If5TKjs5aw muK5APSPFXWTmPKlmwTYnX6SYmG/S76gbJH09N8stZdoMaJUzKannAAmu b7ckgj/8KH53OGF07kUoBeUiHP+Fm7Ldql95z+aX8FaRZlIDGzdtjq+xu Q==;
Received: from qdec94.de.t-internal.com ([10.171.255.41]) by mailout41.dmznet.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256; 23 Apr 2024 16:04:17 +0200
IronPort-SDR: 6627bfe0_0l750QFAllwFXKfyiLxcYTkTYg86r0pwJu6WjUb8xjIWuuT WaYb9rPk+NCFkNAZ8vnB9uGbbKJvQdi/NhMGgnw==
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.07,222,1708383600"; d="scan'208,217";a="922459942"
X-MGA-submission: MDH8ZlJ+34nM4qZjjocoo7qz596Y4yAEJ5o28+VeDPdh8NDVoARXP+gEb6nhxWXdFec/QLx3VY5JPf/CWh2DhPmB+2+eOgPQD9JrvoSU5HtFkRolPrlGC/T0MuLjTTOHsmg8ereRiqrEoerXHH08mS7EmfX2z85tXWdLjCMQT1xPtA==
Received: from he101190.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.196]) by QDEC97.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256; 23 Apr 2024 16:04:16 +0200
Received: from HE126310.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.207) by HE101190.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.1544.9; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:04:16 +0200
Received: from HE126310.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.207) by HE126310.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.207) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.1544.9; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:04:16 +0200
Received: from HE102772.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.171.40.44) by HE126310.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.207) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.1544.9 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:04:16 +0200
Received: from DEU01-FR2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (104.47.11.169) by O365mail09.telekom.de (172.30.0.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.1544.9; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:04:16 +0200
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=HO+t+LxFP2pZAVsJ/H560GZdpKuk33lWPhPDUaFnJR7xcs3XZuBj5rPQD7CE9zz3J5QteXVjD/fE4PRP/jQseJUNbblkmrsd0htZBlwi9Q2S1YJWB9k4N69FJrcoFeFaTdmpn2BmGxCvuDG9ZL+AVH6mOEsOQdCykpVclnIotOPAjmwMYvOMBwxwQJbVuU6P75K5/2ifiS2ESJA9uUXju4p06qbo6ZVzs3zyGKDJjvZr5eUfkaIFj4ljhRbEMl++4beenyLkksQ/7cG59E22/WA1dJusay+j3UBGXON3Dg3oD6Y+vwmpuEStwODWSbDX1Pd+9MaKBt6FhzYOhWbSyw==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=cYL/stMP7gVE6NHy1pMSFg6509mWk+d9NbInkUIOCW8=; b=CseTB3edU9whss+ypLDLAR+vvcEYISXWZqLXDbjNMJiaU9kFB+uX3/dTCjF81h0RJ9X+eg06U5pvT2sy3hBa4ZbcIb0T8pdkMCCWg/tsOqFSetyTXj14zabLlRm0psBfLLwCgOYwdT1qdqEhZc0qUk45v0p2x+hGgYYN9EVi1Wmpo+k3365yRI5C3eunMhuGBqPnWdzBNKl9xcyRoI2dtUoTEj1/k9q3n+n8SF+9rFxav3Oq51eY84dmKVKTutWO5L5tcI5KpIH66yITiRzE/u6GcrMMOcbw8WqbClZmC1PPMnl91mZ4pcCXjhlY+59ICzEvNZSQvoInP5jqKA+owg==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=telekom.de; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=telekom.de; dkim=pass header.d=telekom.de; arc=none
Received: from BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:b10:a2::5) by FR3P281MB1936.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:d10:37::5) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7472.44; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:04:14 +0000
Received: from BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::9dba:63f4:3570:af84]) by BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::9dba:63f4:3570:af84%5]) with mapi id 15.20.7472.044; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:04:14 +0000
From: Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de
To: tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org
CC: ippm@ietf.org
Thread-Topic: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts
Thread-Index: AQHaipxJx7AyZR/vxkusQI/OmGEpALF19l6g
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:04:14 +0000
Message-ID: <BEUP281MB37572304A4EF68F3C8714E479C112@BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <EB9C8A72-2118-4D5F-8A49-BB6CC327297F@apple.com>
In-Reply-To: <EB9C8A72-2118-4D5F-8A49-BB6CC327297F@apple.com>
Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US
Content-Language: de-DE
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=telekom.de;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BEUP281MB3757:EE_|FR3P281MB1936:EE_
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: f3e885a5-50af-4361-319b-08dc639e425c
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230031)(366007)(1800799015)(376005)(38070700009); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BEUP281MB37572304A4EF68F3C8714E479C112BEUP281MB3757DEUP_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BEUP281MB3757.DEUP281.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f3e885a5-50af-4361-319b-08dc639e425c
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Apr 2024 14:04:14.8574 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bde4dffc-4b60-4cf6-8b04-a5eeb25f5c4f
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: mcyurWcTkjd5dP8hciY65DtdBid1Zojtn73Gd2OoDSJbZL52RZ5fqxiLIZy1Fc7dPr1wAKVtx0mHMJD5e8D9kufnKh9/TCPdRnO5S6cGSUI=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: FR3P281MB1936
X-OriginatorOrg: telekom.de
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ippm/_ToTQ_mK5vWvX7_zLsJegQu684M>
Subject: Re: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts
X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group <ippm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ippm>, <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm/>
List-Post: <mailto:ippm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm>, <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:04:49 -0000

Hi Tommy,

I've read the document and support adoption.

Comments:

  *   The security issue has been raised by others already. I'd appreciate reliable safeguards as part of the specification to avoid misuse.
  *   If relevant to the authors, DiffServ related topics may be added, i.e. setting a DSCP and / or some ECN Bit Combinations on the return path. I think the latter feature might be of interest, as L4S introduction may benefit from section-wise testing facilities along an end to end path to ensure transparent ECN bit transport (and locate nodes which reset ECN bits). I just note, that reporting the ECN Bits received by the reflector may be of interest too (but that's a different story then, I guess).

Regards,

Ruediger

Von: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Tommy Pauly
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. April 2024 18:28
An: IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
Betreff: [ippm] IPPM adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts

Hello IPPM,

This email starts an adoption call for draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts. This is a document we've discussed several times, and is a normative dependency for another document we discussed adopting at IETF 119, draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ext-hdr.

You can find the draft here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts/
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mirsky-ippm-asymmetrical-pkts-04.html#name-reflected-test-packet-control

Please review the draft and respond to this email to indicate if you think IPPM should adopt this document as a working group item.

This call will last for 3 weeks. Please reply by Tuesday, April 30.

Best,
Tommy & Marcus

v2.27.6 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status