Re: [ippm] Request for reviews of draft-ietf-ippm-pam

Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com> Wed, 24 May 2023 17:23 UTC

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From: Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com>
To: Marcus Ihlar <marcus.ihlar=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" <ippm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Request for reviews of draft-ietf-ippm-pam
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Hi IPPM,

I've read the document and believe the set of metrics presented are useful for the addressed network services. My only question is where and how such metrics are supposed to be measured. Do these metrics rely on some other more fundamental metrics (or are they supposed to be derived from those fundamental metrics)? I think some brief discussion on these issues would help strengthen the content.

Best regards,
Haoyu

From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Marcus Ihlar
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 8:08 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Request for reviews of draft-ietf-ippm-pam

Hi IPPM,
During the IPPM session at IETF 116 the authors of  draft-ietf-ippm-pam expressed that they believe the document is ready for WGLC.
However, since this  document was adopted quite recently we'd like to ask the WG to take some time to read the document and provide feedback.

In response to this mail, please indicate whether you've read the document along with any feedback you might have.

Note that this is not an official working group last call.

The document can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-pam/

HTML version:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-ippm-pam-01.html

BR
Marcus