Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt

Hi Zhenqiang,

That was my point, to keep the drawing and text as is.

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Feb 6, 2022, at 18:23, lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com wrote:
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> Hi Jeff and Haoyu,
> 
> The effect of load balencing in LAG depends on the implementation. It is common now to use 1 or 10 links in a LAG even in backbone networks. It is up to the operator to determine the number of member links used in  a LAG, usually taking into account both the requirement of the traffic and the ability of the devices. 
> 
> The figure and text in our docs are used to show the case that it is necessary to extend TWAMP/OWAMP/STAMP to measure the performance of each link in a LAG. We have no intent to present a BCP for the nember of member links in a LAG.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Zhenqiang Li
> 
> li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
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> From: Haoyu Song
> Date: 2022-02-05 03:02
> To: Jeff Tantsura; Tianran Zhou; IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)
> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
> Hi Jeff,
>  
> It’s interesting to know. Any idea how the load is balanced on the odd number of links?
> BTW, in your example, a single link is also power of 2 (i.e., 2^0) and there’s no need for load balancing.
>  
> Best,
> Haoyu
>  
> From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com>; IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Wrt power of two comment from Haoyu.
> This used to be the case in the early days because of poorly implemented load-balancing in the silicon, it was often the case that with odd number of constituents we’d see a rather uneven distribution.
> Most of these issues have been fixed in the last 3 years, these days - it is very common (especially in DC) to use a LAG as an operational construct and  provision a LAG with a single link, so the future upgrade doesn’t require changes to L3 infra.
>  
> I don’t’ think there a need to update the drawing nor to explicitly mentioning  “power of two” assumption anywhere in the text .
>  
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>  
> From: Tianran Zhou
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 5:06 PM
> To: Haoyu Song; Tianran Zhou; IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)
> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
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> Hi Haoyu,
>  
> Thanks very much for your comments. Your perspective is correct.
> I will revise the document in the next version.
>  
> Best,
> Tianran
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoyu Song
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 1:07 AM
> To: Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
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> WG,
>  
> I think the scenario for LAG performance measurement is practical and the method is sound, so I support this work.
> For Figure 1, I think usually for load balancing with hashing, the number of links of a LAG would be power of two.
>  
> Best,
> Haoyu Song
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:23 PM
> To: IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org) <ippm@ietf.org>
> Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
>  
> Hi WG,
>  
> We think this is an useful work on adapting OWAMP/TWAMP in LAG performance measurement.
> We updated this draft based on the comments from the meeting discussion and mailing list.
> Thanks for all the suggestions.
> More reviews and comments are welcome.
>  
> Cheers,
> Tianran
>  
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; Guo Jun <guo.jun2@zte.com.cn>; Jun Guo <guo.jun2@zte.com.cn>; Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi@cisco.com>; Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com>; Zhenqiang Li <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
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> A new version of I-D, draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag-02.txt
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> Name:               draft-li-ippm-otwamp-on-lag
> Revision:           02
> Title:                  One-way/Two-way Active Measurement Protocol Extensions for Performance Measurement on LAG
> Document date:           2022-01-24
> Group:               Individual Submission
> Pages:               13
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> Abstract:
>    This document defines extensions to One-way Active Measurement
>    Protocol (OWAMP), and Two-way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) to
>    implement performance measurement on every member link of a Link
>    Aggregation Group (LAG).  Knowing the measured metrics of each member
>    link of a LAG enables operators to enforce the performance based
>    traffic steering policy across the member links.
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