Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6
Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com> Thu, 27 January 2022 19:00 UTC
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From: Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com>
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
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Thread-Topic: [spring] Active OAM in SRv6
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Hi Greg, Thank you for your questions. Please see inline response. Best, Haoyu From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 3:01 PM To: Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com> Cc: spring@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Hi Haoyu, thank you for bringing the topic of Active OAM to the discussion. As the concept of Active IOAM is introduced in the IPPM WG draft<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-ioam-flags&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7Cc347a296576a4bcc02dc08d9e11fcba3%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637788348960663433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ICDx4pdmgXJBs68SATcvkTpZSOTZ6LD7JyCCKYM6IJg%3D&reserved=0> it seems to me like adding the IPPM WG community to the discussion is the right thing to do. Please find my notes in-lined below under the GIM>> tag. Regards, Greg On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:37 PM Haoyu Song <haoyu.song@futurewei.com<mailto:haoyu.song@futurewei.com>> wrote: Hi SPRING WG, Real time monitor on every node and every link on a network is necessary to detect gray failures, which are the key culprit for poor QoS but hard to catch. SR provides an ideal mechanism, when working with some efficient planning algorithm, to achieve that with low cost. Our proposal SRv6 In-situ Active Measurement (SIAM) suggests a simple active measurement approach which can support different GIM>> I wonder what gaps you find in the existing active measurement protocols, e.g., STAMP and RFC 6734 (would be more convenient to use an acronym). It appears to me that, for example, STAMP and its extensions, including the SRPM draft<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7Cc347a296576a4bcc02dc08d9e11fcba3%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637788348960663433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Czxg8dYGfDXViyRtY2Z2vuIKit%2B9Pw0atzLonOVTdfE%3D&reserved=0>, comprehensively address the PM OAM requirements for SRv6. HS>> Let's give a few features of our proposal: (1) it's session-less and we don't need assign any roles (e.g., reflector); (2) no needs for a return path. The measurement can start and end at any node (solely determined by the SRH); (3) udp-based which can support any existing IOAM modes and potentially other OAM methods. options of IOAM and other OAM methods in SRv6, without needing to worry about the extension header issue. GIM>> draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data classifies IOAM as follows: In terms of the classification given in [RFC7799] IOAM could be portrayed as Hybrid Type 1. Does your proposal change that? HS>> In this particular case, IOAM is used for active measurement because it's not included in a user packet. Your comments, questions, and suggestions are very welcome. I'd like to know your opinion if you think this work is in scope and should be adopted by the working group. If you are interested in contributing to this work, please also let me know. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-spring-siam/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-song-spring-siam%2F&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7Cc347a296576a4bcc02dc08d9e11fcba3%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637788348960663433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=EgovYo3tJgmCUR8eu0I%2BkF%2Ff9fcfKFGi6gaOycyFM6g%3D&reserved=0> Thank you very much! Best regards, Haoyu _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring&data=04%7C01%7Chaoyu.song%40futurewei.com%7Cc347a296576a4bcc02dc08d9e11fcba3%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637788348960663433%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=x0ROnWuMAW%2BJhiEROH%2Fg4%2BruahabOaHctwN6eVeX9jw%3D&reserved=0>
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- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Gyan Mishra
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- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Haoyu Song
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Haoyu Song
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Tianran Zhou
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- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Haoyu Song
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Greg Mirsky
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- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Haoyu Song
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] [spring] Active OAM in SRv6 Haoyu Song
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