Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt
J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin <ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar> Wed, 24 July 2019 18:09 UTC
Return-Path: <ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar>
X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98566120112 for <ippm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yU_rxNaXSY18 for <ippm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar (cnet.fi.uba.ar [157.92.58.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D52EB120059 for <ippm@ietf.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:09:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD58A140077; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:09:31 -0300 (ART)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cnet.fi.uba.ar
Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cnet.fi.uba.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TVQQSfQnLJA1; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:09:25 -0300 (ART)
Received: from [172.20.10.2] (host104.181-7-199.telecom.net.ar [181.7.199.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47A88140068; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:09:25 -0300 (ART)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\))
From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin <ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar>
In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0AD6AC8@njmtexg4.research.att.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:09:26 -0300
Cc: "Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>, "ippm@ietf.org" <ippm@ietf.org>, "CIAVATTONE, LEN" <lc9892@att.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <B610A7FD-C535-428C-8C68-A813D562938F@cnet.fi.uba.ar>
References: <156260416772.1025.4998810537075651102.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0ACDBB6@njmtexg4.research.att.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0AD6049@njmtexg4.research.att.com> <DM6PR14MB24741B75750A4FBBBA2FB6B7D7C70@DM6PR14MB2474.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0AD67A0@njmtexg4.research.att.com> <5668F6CC-DDEB-490D-B75A-E7B3F9275EEB@cnet.fi.uba.ar> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0AD6AC8@njmtexg4.research.att.com>
To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ippm/xYWDAc-cDOlJ_OyZPOR86Z2xPG0>
Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt
X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group <ippm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ippm>, <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm/>
List-Post: <mailto:ippm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm>, <mailto:ippm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:09:43 -0000
Thats o.k., I will provide some ideas about that. Thanks! _______________________________________________________________ Dr. Ing. José Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin CONICET and Facultad de Ingeniería, Universidad de Buenos Aires Av. Paseo Colón 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705 e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar web: http://cnet.fi.uba.ar/ignacio.alvarez-hamelin/ _______________________________________________________________ > On 24 Jul 2019, at 12:28, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> wrote: > > Hi Ignacio, > > Thanks for your interest - I think that there have > been many methods and different metrics tried and > tested. There's certainly room for more investigation > *as a parallel effort*. The authors would prefer not > to expand this draft's coverage, unless another > metric and method has been evaluated as extensively. > > Tight scope is the key to more prompt delivery, > feel free to suggest how we can add limits to > this scope and leave room for non-saturation methods > for IP-Capacity (not yet revealed). > > see you soon on Meetecho, > Al > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin [mailto:ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:15 AM >> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> >> Cc: Ackermann, Michael <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>; ippm@ietf.org; CIAVATTONE, >> LEN <lc9892@att.com> >> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm- >> capcity-metric-method-00.txt >> >> Hi Al., >> >> Unfortunately I am not there… but still this subject is very interesting >> for me. I see that the measurements methods are based on link saturation, >> is still some room to add another possibility without saturation? >> >> Many thanks an get a good time in Montreal! >> >> Ignacio >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> Dr. Ing. José Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin >> CONICET and Facultad de Ingeniería, Universidad de Buenos Aires >> Av. Paseo Colón 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina >> +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705 >> e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar >> web: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- >> 3A__cnet.fi.uba.ar_ignacio.alvarez-2Dhamelin_&d=DwIFaQ&c=LFYZ- >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- >> 6zYMI&m=OprUpJKiIhcirgI04g0ZVVpKUXWtCK_- >> QKM_wv3SJGI&s=QSG7scjGmgLXuUmjZJLlpP0YMvvMPUyj788L8lS1wQg&e= >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >>> On 24 Jul 2019, at 11:37, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Mike and others who have indicated interest! >>> >>> We'll meet on Thursday 1200 Lunch, >>> at the Foyer in front of IETF Registration. >>> >>> We grab something quick to eat, >>> and sit down to look at the background as necessary, >>> the draft, and a short Liaison reply to the "Harmonization" thread. >>> >>> All are welcome, just show-up. >>> Al >>> >>> PS: If you can't make this time, please contact me >>> to schedule an alternative opportunity. >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ackermann, >> Michael >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:25 PM >>>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; ippm@ietf.org >>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm- >>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt >>>> >>>> Thank you Al >>>> >>>> I did read this draft and thought it was extremely well done and very >>>> informative. >>>> >>>> Please let me know if/when any related side meetings are set up and I >> will >>>> make every effort to attend! >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:39 AM >>>> To: ippm@ietf.org >>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm- >>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt >>>> >>>> ALERT This email was sent from a source external to BCBSM/BCN. >>>> DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize the sender and >>>> trust the content. >>>> >>>> >>>> IPPM folks, >>>> >>>> I'm willing to set-up one or more side meetings to discuss this new >> draft >>>> and supporting material, including the most recent testing and results >>>> from the Hackathon@105 [0]. >>>> >>>> Let me know if you can squeeze a few minutes for this in your busy >> week! >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Al >>>> >>>> [0] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >> 3A__github.com_IETF- >>>> 2DHackathon_ietf105-2Dproject-2Dpresentations_blob_master_105-2Dacm- >>>> 2DHackathon-2DMeasurements.pdf&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>> >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=OWFIYwbnYUHx6EBa9258gGQmcVe5C >>>> YmKOu9Nvo8SHvU&s=9SWMfuct0UpMjBoHDjbWLthFSM1i3Tm1OpEgwYqEaRE&e= >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED >>>>> C >>>>> (AL) >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:26 PM >>>>> To: ippm@ietf.org >>>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com> >>>>> Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm- >>>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IPPM, >>>>> >>>>> This new draft is a proposal for a metric and methods of measurement >>>>> for Maximum IP-layer Capacity, one of the many possible metrics to >>>>> characterize IP-layer performance. >>>>> >>>>> We have a lightning 5-minutes on the IPPM agenda to discuss this new >>>>> draft, so the authors are providing this additional background and >>>>> welcome any comments on-list or side meetings we can arrange in >>>>> Montreal to discuss. >>>>> >>>>> Notes and Background: >>>>> >>>>> This work will be a topic at a "measurements" table at the >>>>> Hackathon@105, and possibly presented later in the week at MAPRG if >>>>> time/other topics permit. >>>>> >>>>> Liaisons received by IPPM provide additional info on testing (with >>>>> attachments containing test results in most cases): >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_liaison_1645_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=iHewHfAuU7oJMgGiiemtNsY5v2xhPZBaINvHGirKlZc&e= >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_liaison_1643_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=r-NJnMRfJcxNEbb0CtF6zE_YNfYXwSW6nYb6V6D3Hz4&e= >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_liaison_1634_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=OFl_Iqn1AhgTL4dkQjOp-MRS4-k33YHUrvRnPClsdaU&e= >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_liaison_1632_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=zrr92OnGzlO-nxGpIs0xfvIdcijhnqCkNf_dhTdcMC0&e= >>>>> >>>>> Technical Committee ETSI STQ has approved ETSI TS 103 222-2 "Part 2: >>>>> Reference benchmarking and KPIs for High speed internet", containing >>>>> the new material presently covered in clause 4.5, titled “IP/UDP >>>>> Capacity“. The new clause contains a definition of Maximum IP Capacity >>>>> that is equivalent to the definition proposed in the new draft. The TS >>>>> text will be published shortly. >>>>> >>>>> At ITU-T Study Group 12, Recommendation Y.1540, on "IP packet transfer >>>>> and availability performance parameters" >>>>> (also containing an equivalent definition with requirements for >>>>> methods of measurement) is proceeding through the (longer) approval >>>> process. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for considering this new proposal; it is one of the topics that >>>>> IPPM was chartered over 20 years ago to complete. >>>>> >>>>> Al, Rüdiger, and Len >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 12:43 PM >>>>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; >>>>> Subject: New Version Notification for >>>>> draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric- method-00.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt >>>>> has been successfully submitted by Al Morton and posted to the IETF >>>>> repository. >>>>> >>>>> Name: draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method >>>>> Revision: 00 >>>>> Title: Metrics and Methods for IP Capacity >>>>> Document date: 2019-07-08 >>>>> Group: Individual Submission >>>>> Pages: 13 >>>>> URL: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dmorton-2Dippm-2Dcapcity-2Dmetric-2Dmet >>>>> hod- >>>>> 2D00&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=Kd6ckx4rIYt0nqpwi6gUSfasPgYZSn3sJVnqHF7phQg&e= >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This memo revisits the problem of Network Capacity metrics first >>>>> examined in RFC 5136. The memo specifies a more practical Maximum >>>>> IP-layer Capacity metric definition catering for measurement >>>>> purposes, and outlines the corresponding methods of measurement. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ippm mailing list >>>>> ippm@ietf.org >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>>> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=IL8HkvaKvBB1lePcKTXpOgEWF >>>>> U- b56ZFZsFV_SMnC_4&s=uos7uP-jGxP5FZHY-azjA6Ip7zHpszskfXNMiZDO020&e= >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ippm mailing list >>>> ippm@ietf.org >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>> >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=OWFIYwbnYUHx6EBa9258gGQmcVe5C >>>> YmKOu9Nvo8SHvU&s=J3GuOQ7UeJpe3NuaidU-fdcyEd0E7oeOzpMoe9KKEO8&e= >>>> >>>> >>>> The information contained in this communication is highly confidential >> and >>>> is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom this >>>> communication is directed. If you are not the intended recipient, you >> are >>>> hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution >> of >>>> this information is prohibited. Please notify the sender, by electronic >>>> mail or telephone, of any unintended receipt and delete the original >>>> message without making any copies. >>>> >>>> Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan and Blue Care Network of Michigan >> are >>>> nonprofit corporations and independent licensees of the Blue Cross and >>>> Blue Shield Association. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ippm mailing list >>>> ippm@ietf.org >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >>>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- >>>> >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=OWFIYwbnYUHx6EBa9258gGQmcVe5C >>>> YmKOu9Nvo8SHvU&s=J3GuOQ7UeJpe3NuaidU-fdcyEd0E7oeOzpMoe9KKEO8&e= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ippm mailing list >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- >> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=DwIFaQ&c=LFYZ- >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- >> 6zYMI&m=OprUpJKiIhcirgI04g0ZVVpKUXWtCK_- >> QKM_wv3SJGI&s=LcM0qPrFdQLJOVVnhkCWERj8fJD_e4YiKd7E5S-0huU&e=
- [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-mor… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-mor… J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin