Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt

J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin <ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar> Wed, 24 July 2019 18:09 UTC

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Thats o.k., I will provide some ideas about that. Thanks!


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> On 24 Jul 2019, at 12:28, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ignacio,
> 
> Thanks for your interest - I think that there have
> been many methods and different metrics tried and
> tested. There's certainly room for more investigation
> *as a parallel effort*.  The authors would prefer not
> to expand this draft's coverage, unless another 
> metric and method has been evaluated as extensively.
> 
> Tight scope is the key to more prompt delivery,
> feel free to suggest how we can add limits to 
> this scope and leave room for non-saturation methods
> for IP-Capacity (not yet revealed).
> 
> see you soon on Meetecho,
> Al
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin [mailto:ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:15 AM
>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>
>> Cc: Ackermann, Michael <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>; ippm@ietf.org; CIAVATTONE,
>> LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>> 
>> Hi Al.,
>> 
>> Unfortunately I am not there… but still this subject is very interesting
>> for me. I see that the measurements methods are based on link saturation,
>> is still some room to add another possibility without saturation?
>> 
>> Many thanks an get a good time in Montreal!
>> 
>> 	Ignacio
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________________________
>> 
>> Dr. Ing. José Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
>> CONICET and Facultad de Ingeniería, Universidad de Buenos Aires
>> Av. Paseo Colón 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina
>> +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705
>> e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Jul 2019, at 11:37, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Mike and others who have indicated interest!
>>> 
>>> We'll meet on Thursday 1200 Lunch,
>>> at the Foyer in front of IETF Registration.
>>> 
>>> We grab something quick to eat,
>>> and sit down to look at the background as necessary,
>>> the draft, and a short Liaison reply to the "Harmonization" thread.
>>> 
>>> All are welcome, just show-up.
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> PS: If you can't make this time, please contact me
>>> to schedule an alternative opportunity.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ackermann,
>> Michael
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:25 PM
>>>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>; ippm@ietf.org
>>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Al
>>>> 
>>>> I did read this draft and thought it was extremely well done and very
>>>> informative.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let me know if/when any related side meetings are set up and I
>> will
>>>> make every effort to attend!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:39 AM
>>>> To: ippm@ietf.org
>>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>>> 
>>>> ALERT This email was sent from a source external to BCBSM/BCN.
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>>>> 
>>>> IPPM folks,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm willing to set-up one or more side meetings to discuss this new
>> draft
>>>> and supporting material, including the most recent testing and results
>>>> from the Hackathon@105 [0].
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know if you can squeeze a few minutes for this in your busy
>> week!
>>>> 
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Al
>>>> 
>>>> [0] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
>> 3A__github.com_IETF-
>>>> 2DHackathon_ietf105-2Dproject-2Dpresentations_blob_master_105-2Dacm-
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>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED
>>>>> C
>>>>> (AL)
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:26 PM
>>>>> To: ippm@ietf.org
>>>>> Cc: CIAVATTONE, LEN <lc9892@att.com>
>>>>> Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-morton-ippm-
>>>>> capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IPPM,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This new draft is a proposal for a metric and methods of measurement
>>>>> for Maximum IP-layer Capacity, one of the many possible metrics to
>>>>> characterize IP-layer performance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have a lightning 5-minutes on the IPPM agenda to discuss this new
>>>>> draft, so the authors are providing this additional background and
>>>>> welcome any comments on-list or side meetings we can arrange in
>>>>> Montreal to discuss.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Notes and Background:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This work will be a topic at a "measurements" table at the
>>>>> Hackathon@105, and possibly presented later in the week at MAPRG if
>>>>> time/other topics permit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Liaisons received by IPPM provide additional info on testing (with
>>>>> attachments containing test results in most cases):
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Technical Committee ETSI STQ has approved ETSI TS 103 222-2 "Part 2:
>>>>> Reference benchmarking and KPIs for High speed internet", containing
>>>>> the new material presently covered in clause 4.5, titled “IP/UDP
>>>>> Capacity“. The new clause contains a definition of Maximum IP Capacity
>>>>> that is equivalent to the definition proposed in the new draft. The TS
>>>>> text will be published shortly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At ITU-T Study Group 12, Recommendation Y.1540, on "IP packet transfer
>>>>> and availability performance parameters"
>>>>> (also containing an equivalent definition with requirements for
>>>>> methods of measurement) is proceeding through the (longer) approval
>>>> process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for considering this new proposal; it is one of the topics that
>>>>> IPPM was chartered over 20 years ago to complete.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Al, Rüdiger, and Len
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 12:43 PM
>>>>> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acm@research.att.com>;
>>>>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>>>>> draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric- method-00.txt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method-00.txt
>>>>> has been successfully submitted by Al Morton and posted to the IETF
>>>>> repository.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Name:         draft-morton-ippm-capcity-metric-method
>>>>> Revision:     00
>>>>> Title:                Metrics and Methods for IP Capacity
>>>>> Document date:        2019-07-08
>>>>> Group:                Individual Submission
>>>>> Pages:                13
>>>>> URL:
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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>>>>> Abstract:
>>>>>  This memo revisits the problem of Network Capacity metrics first
>>>>>  examined in RFC 5136.  The memo specifies a more practical Maximum
>>>>>  IP-layer Capacity metric definition catering for measurement
>>>>>  purposes, and outlines the corresponding methods of measurement.
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