Re: The War is on...

todd <> Mon, 07 July 2014 18:54 UTC

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How about this John - it gets much worse...

You do understand that the NSA will have to 'publish' all of the 
commentary and documents about "it and its partner's in Industry in the 
manipulation of  the standards the IETF assured the world were safe to 
use" and that is where the pain will start - there will be all kinds of 
class actions filed I am predicting and I would not want to be any of 
the corporations in those WG's with direct liability there.

So john I am Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.  It playing out 
just like the end scene of the Chrtonicles of Riddick... "Now isnt that 

Imagine the EFF as the agent who takes the SDO IETF down and they dont 
even see it coming.  I am betting Dean Anderson is just about to laugh 
himself to a new plain... its that funny.


On 7/7/2014 9:02 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
> --On Monday, July 07, 2014 07:54 -0700 todd
> <>; wrote:
>> Well its happened - the EFF is suing the NSA for 'holes
>> engineered' into things.
>> r-of-national-intelligence-for-intentionally-leaving-holes-in-
>> software-unplugged-2000157
>> How long do you all think it will take before the IETF and its
>> IPR WG members are by name added as defendants in this matter ?
> I can see a number of issues for the IETF in any situation in
> which an organization is accused of deliberately inserting
> vulnerabilities into protocols or methods or of hiding
> vulnerabilities of which it is aware to exploit them.  As as as
> the IETF (or any other SDO) is concerned, most of them would be
> arise if the SDO or key members of its leadership were somehow
> complicit in the actions.  A reasonable person might want to
> examine the SDO's review and decision processes to be sure they
> provide adequate safeguards against such activities.
> However, I have trouble seeing any of that as an IPR issue
> either under current IETF policies or others one might imagine,
> especially as long as the SDO explicitly disclaimed warranties
> that standards were problem-free.  ...And at least under the IPR
> laws of this planet.
>      john
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