Re: Normatively referenced specifications

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 18 December 2013 18:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: Normatively referenced specifications
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On 12/18/2013 10:18 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> THe part that is relevant to this discussion are the IPR licensing terms
> stated by folks in conjunction with our policy.
> And yes, they can make broader grants about other specifications when
> they provide those licenses, but from an IETF perspective what folks
> look at, and what we are discussing, is the licensing terms for use in
> the specification.


Whereas I read the challenging part of this discussion as having to do 
with requirements for disclosure.  Certainly the assertions in the 
thread that gave me pause were ones that claimed clever, nuanced 
interpretations of our rules in order to avoid disclosure.

Once IPR is disclosed, how the IETF chooses to deal with that 
information might indeed get complicated, nuanced or whatever.

d/
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Dave Crocker
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