Re: [IPsec] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-multiple-ke-10

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Thu, 01 December 2022 03:10 UTC

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From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 22:09:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-multiple-ke-10
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> On Nov 30, 2022, at 02:16, Valery Smyslov <svan@elvis.ru> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> [snipped]
> 
>>> I'm not sure the DEs have enough qualification to judge whether the proposed
>>> algorithm is good or bad with its cryptographic properties. I believe it is the CFRG's task
>>> to bless algorithms and the DEs should only pay attention to is whether
>>> the proposed algorithm meets the protocol restrictions (and those are
>>> listed in Section 4.1 for the DEs).
>> 
>> Valery you’re not giving yourself and Tero enough credit ;) 
> 
> :-)
> 
>> But, you did say exactly what I hoped you
>> would say, in that the CFRG is going to evaluate the alg. Note sure if this needs to be documented.
> 
> In my opinion it is not needed. While CFRG generally evaluates most of algorithms
> that populate this registry, some of them could be added without this evaluation.
> I mean those algorithm that were specified outside of IETF or published via ISE 
> (I'm here speaking as author of RFC 9227 and draft-smyslov-ike2-gost).
> 
> In IPSECME we have RFC 7321 and RFC 8247 that list the currently recommended algorithms,
> and these RFCs are updated from time to time, because even CFRG "blessing" is not eternal :-)

AH, I’d forgotten about these two! Yep - you convinced me no need to say anything.

Cheers,
spt